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Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Sunday May 24, 2020 @05:47PM (#23295132)
My wife and I live in Mexico. She works remotely, I did that for 10+ years, now I'm building my thing and taking some occasional freelance projects.

I won't deny there are some horror stories coming from Mexico, but I'm a European and have been living here since 2009. I've never seen or experienced anything even remotely violent. I paid for a mordida once, that's it. I've lived in Mexico City, Estado de México, Veracruz, Cancún, and now near Querétaro. I've travelled to most states either for tourism or work. Although I'm from Spain I totally look like a gringo so I never pass unnoticed.

We live in a little village about 3 hours from Mexico City with almost no crime at all. We only lock our door when leaving town. We have 200Mbps fiber. We rent a 3bdr house with garden for about $500 USD. Life is really good for us.

My wife is Mexican and her mother passed away a couple of months ago so we're now planning to go back to Europe in 2-3 years once my gig starts generating some income. There is not much here for her and I'm a bit bored of Mexico. We also don't like how the political situation is changing with Amlo.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by aaronbrethorst on Sunday May 24, 2020 @06:39PM (#23295539)
I paid for a mordida once, that's it.

For anyone else besides me who was unfamiliar with the term, it's a bribe: https://www.tripsavvy.com/definition-of-mordida-1588821

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by codeisawesome on Sunday May 24, 2020 @09:14PM (#23296681)
The fact that the word starts with 'mordid' somehow made me associate with 'mort' and that was not good :"D thanks for clarifying.
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by schwartzworld on Monday May 25, 2020 @06:12AM (#23299672)
a mistake like that would have me feeling muy embarazada
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:31AM (#23301481)
I see what you did there!

(for those that do not speak Spanish: embarazada = pregnant)

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by hthtegr on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:50AM (#23298662)
I'm from New Zealand and lived there for 4 years. Same experience. Never saw anything crazy, didn't even know anyone who had. I used to fly up to LA and SF often, and saw crazy shit up there often.

Mexico is safer than the US - some will find that unpaletable. Get over it.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by CPUstring on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:12AM (#23301321)
> Mexico is safer than the US - some will find that unpaletable. Get over it.

This is quite verifiably false?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicid...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexican_states_by_homi...

edit: fixed link

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by badestrand on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @01:31AM (#23307734)
I think crime and especially violence in Mexico are much more unevenly distributed. That is, half the country is really safe and half is quite dangerous.

I stayed in various of the "safe parts" of Mexico for three months and felt much safer than in any of various cities in the US, both experienced as a European traveller.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by Breza on Friday May 29, 2020 @02:26PM (#23353671)
The United States is the same way. I grew up in the Midwest and I've lived in Washington DC for the past 14 years. There's a huge difference in crime levels between the two.
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:48AM (#23301631)
Your first URL is wrong, and btw you are comparing two different metrics. The Mexico link shows number of murders and the US one murder rate.

Also, even comparing apples to apples those stats don't paint the day to day reality of living in Mexico. Very often murders are from fights between narco gangs, or between narcos and the police/military.

Edit:

It's also true that crime and narco presence is not equally distributed.

See Queretaro vs Boston:

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Queretaro

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Boston

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by ip26 on Sunday May 24, 2020 @10:35PM (#23297163)
Although I'm from Spain I totally look like a gringo

I can't help but wonder if a Spanish accent buys you some cred in Latin America that other gringos don't get.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by jordigh on Monday May 25, 2020 @12:28AM (#23297801)
I think the general negative stereotype about Spaniards in Mexico is that they're brash and stupid. Mexico's negative Polish jokes demeaning a culture's intelligence would be comparable to Galician jokes, dating from a time when there used to be more Galician immigration into Mexico. Iberian accents don't sound cultured and distinguished to most Mexicans; also, Spaniards more casually use words that sound rude to Mexicans or use words with different general meanings like "coger" ("take" in Spain but "fuck" with sexual meaning in Mexico). It's a funny situation not comparable to how most British accents sound cultured and distinguished to US nationals.

On the other hand, Mexicans use more diminutives compared to Spaniards and have lost the informal plural "you", always using what would be the the formal form of address in Spain. Mexicans often also say "¿mande?" to acknowledge you or request that you repeat yourself, but this more literally means something very servile like "order me" or "what is your command?", a remnant of the Spanish conquest of Mexico. For this reason, Mexicans sometimes sound excessively polite to Spaniards.

Of course, these are just broad stereotypes and it's entirely possible that pier25 has not experienced any of this. Possibly simply due to being foreign and the generally unacknowledged racism we have in Mexico (white is pretty), pier25's experience may have been entirely positive.

Also, pier25 may look like a gringo but he's not a gringo. In Mexico, only people from the US are gringos, regardless of their appearance. Obama is a gringo; Trudeau is not a gringo (other countries use the term "gringo" differently). As soon as pier25 speaks, no Mexican would call him gringo. Gachupín is an older somewhat pejorative term for Spaniards in Mexico, but I think it's rarely used nowadays.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:41AM (#23301572)
> Spaniards more casually use words that sound rude to Mexicans

Yes, this is totally true.

Also Mexicans generally try to speak properly unless they are with friends or family. They typically shush bad words, use more polite substitutes, or they start a sentence with "excuse me but...".

In Spain nobody cares.

> pier25's experience may have been entirely positive

Yeah, totally. I've lived in different countries so I adapt very quickly to different customs and forms.

> As soon as pier25 speaks, no Mexican would call him gringo.

You'd be surprised. Most people in Mexico associate Spanish accent with Madrid accent (eg: hola como eshtash) and since I don't have that accent they think I'm a gringo with a weird Spanish accent. Dozens of times Mexicans have insisted speaking to me in English even when I was speaking in Spanish to them. Once I even had to insist that I was from Spain and the answer was "¿Pero español de España?" :)

With my wife we've joked about making a t-shirt for me that says "Que no soy gringo joder!".

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by jordigh on Monday May 25, 2020 @11:37AM (#23302117)
> Que no soy gringo joder!

Jajajaja me encantaría ver esa playera.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by cblum on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:37AM (#23298223)
> Iberian accents don't sound cultured and distinguished to most Mexicans

That's so interesting. I'm from Brazil, and to us Continental Portuguese sounds pompous, much like what a British accent sounds to an American listeners.

Different languages, I know, but interesting contrast considering both cases are related to the Iberian peninsula :)

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Sunday May 24, 2020 @11:03PM (#23297354)
It's possible.

Outside of touristic zones (Vallarta, Cancún, etc) Mexicans tend to like and be curious about people from abroad. There's actually a pejorative term called malinchismo for this preference for foreign stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinchism

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by maroonblazer on Sunday May 24, 2020 @09:24PM (#23296752)
>My wife and I live in Mexico....There is not much here for her and I'm a bit bored of Mexico.

>we're now planning to go back to Europe

Where in Europe are you planning to relocate?

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Sunday May 24, 2020 @11:08PM (#23297386)
My wife would like the North of Spain or South of France. I'd prefer a colder climate.
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by netjiro on Monday May 25, 2020 @01:50PM (#23303148)
Switzerland! Clean. Great nature. Stuff actually works. People do their jobs well and without argument. Transportation is reliable. Easy living.

Also nod to NL, as other poster. Lived there for three years. Again, stuff works.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:42PM (#23304200)
> Switzerland!

Yes!

Both Switzerland and NL are at the top of my list.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by shifto on Monday May 25, 2020 @08:47AM (#23300404)
NL might be a good choice then.
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:43AM (#23301583)
Indeed!
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by suyash on Monday May 25, 2020 @12:08AM (#23297697)
I've heard great things about Guadalajara, anyone in tech has experience to share?
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by moises_silva on Monday May 25, 2020 @04:41AM (#23299245)
I'm from Mexico. I lived in Guadalajara for ~8yrs while in University and the first years of my career before moving to Canada. I go back frequently, sometimes working remotely (a few times even in WeWork spaces, hah!). I love to go back, there's a lot of things I miss, but I'd not raise my kids there given the option (which I now have thankfully), both economy and violence are an issue. I can imagine living as a single or childless expat for a while can be a great experience though. I sometimes think of going back to retire to a town nearby one day.

FWIW, I've been living in Budapest now for a year and is quite nice, I like Europe overall too, but we'll be returning to Canada :-)

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by hthtegr on Monday May 25, 2020 @02:54AM (#23298683)
I lived an hour away (as a foreigner). Absolutely loved it, and would still be there if I didn't have to return home for sick family.
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by selimthegrim on Sunday May 24, 2020 @09:39PM (#23296858)
These guys won’t even move to New Orleans, what makes you think they’ll consider Mexico
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by animalgonzales on Sunday May 24, 2020 @09:53PM (#23296945)
how do taxes work?
Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Sunday May 24, 2020 @11:04PM (#23297366)
Since I'm married to a Mexican I have the permanent residence so it's just like any other Mexican.

As for getting money from abroad you have to declare it and pay a percentage to the state.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by jarvelov on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:10PM (#23295760)
> We also don't like how the political situation is changing with Amlo.

Could you expand on this? I'm not keeping up with Mexican politics so I don't know much besides him being left leaning.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by raztogt21 on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:34PM (#23295930)
Not op, but I'm a Mexican living in México.

He is surrounded by incompetent and bootlicker advisors.

This administration is one of the most corrupt and violent in the past 20 years.

He has three pharaonic projects to build an outdated infrastructure that only "benefits" the president's home state.

He is actively stopping the construction for renewable energy projects and foreign investment.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by pier25 on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:51PM (#23296052)
Yes the president is betting everything into oil, burning huge piles of cash on useless projects, scaring foreign investment, and stopping all investment into renewables. Among other countless stupid decisions.

With the combination of COVID and the current political situation, Mexico is going to plunge into the worst recession it has seen in modern history. I wouldn't be surprised if Mexico becomes the next Venezuela in a couple of years.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by foogazi on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:46PM (#23296021)
> He is surrounded by incompetent and bootlicker advisors.

A more accurate description would be “he surrounds himself with incompetent and bootlicker advisors.”

At the presidential level he appointed all of those people

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by invalidOrTaken on Sunday May 24, 2020 @08:56PM (#23296556)
>pharaonic

Oh! Thank you for teaching me this word.

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by timhigins on Sunday May 24, 2020 @08:28PM (#23296344)
He was hugely popular when he came into office and made some significant improvements the cash subsidy for farming program. Nevertheless, there sure are power-consolidation moves evident.

https://www.as-coa.org/articles/approval-tracker-mexicos-pre... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/amlo-is-me...

Re:Ask HN: If you could work remote where would you live? by corpMaverick on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:48PM (#23296037)
Nothing wrong with being left leaning. But he is a demagogue. A narcissist surrounded by yes men.