The idea that they have the power to spy and don't use it, when they could and without consequences is a little hard to fathom. Besides, there is very little legally nowadays that is really off-limits in that area. And whatever may not be (like the AT&T spying scandal was), can quickly be covered by new laws (with bi-partisan support).
Re:Echelon (signals intelligence)
by uikjhgyujmn on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @06:23PM
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The problem is who 'they' are
The CIA/NSA etc spying on the US and UK's enemies?
Or US companies spying on UK companies to gain a competitive advantage?
If you were a BP boss would you be confident that they weren't handing your emails over to the Whitehouse during the gulf spill?
I can pretty much confirm this is the case. I was told as much way back in 1996 at a job interview for the local part of (the what was then unnamed but now has probably changed its name again) Echelon network. (Run out of the GCSB in NZ).
That is, it was explained to me that while we don't 'spy' on our citizens we supply as part of the partnership the ability for each member country to basically circumvent those restrictions because the entity doing the surveillance is actually a foreign government (all be it an ally). Not exactly in those terms but I was left in no doubt that that was how it worked.
Of course if they told me that a job interview I imagine it was regarded as public knowledge.
Re:Echelon (signals intelligence)
by michaeldhopkins on Thursday March 17, 2011 @08:05AM
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Thank you for telling this.
Could be nonsense, but after learning that MKUltra was real, who knows anymore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA