Nationalistic flamewar is not allowed here and, in this vitrolic a form ("it is an evil, vile country?" good grief) will get you banned from HN. Do we really want HN to be a place where Chinese users and users with China-related backgrounds are hounded out of here on racial grounds? Can anyone believe that I even have to ask this? No more of this, please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: you've posted ethnically/nationalistically-tinged attacks to HN before, and personal attacks before, and we've asked you to stop these before. If you do it again we will have to ban you again, so please stop.

What attacks?

Apart from "it is an evil, vile country", etc., above, here are the two past cases when we've chided your current account:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20357430

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22538538

But there are more recent cases like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23135072, which is obviously unacceptable.

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. Might be an american interpretation that you see between the lines.

I have literally no idea why any of these would be considered offensive? Blunt and direct sure ...but offensive?

Does not this site promote inclusivity? or does it try to cater only to those that can navigate through american norms?

I'm happy to try to help you understand if you're asking in good faith, but those questions are somehow too open-ended for me to efficiently answer. If you can make them more specific I can take a crack at it.

>Apart from "it is an evil, vile country",

My family had been at the receiving end of such countries. Twice. I dont believe in a policy of appeasement. At all. China is too similar to Nazi Germany for me to ignore it. It is an evil, vile country that has deception and absolute disregard to human rights deeply rooted at its core. The youtuber SerpentZA only scratches the surface of what this country is doing to not only its people.

And this is not an overstatement. To compare it to countries like Korea and Japan would be doing disservice to these countries. They are both objectively racist. Are they evil?

Well not at the moment. Imperial Japan was evil. Current Japan is just hypocritical.

>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20357430

This was too long ago for me to remember it. I have no idea what I meant in the context of that discussion.

>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22538538

I honestly believe americans are overreacting much more than any other nationality I have ever observed. It's a cultural trait.

>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23135072

I have refused to engage in that discussion calling the op out on his behavior.

These judgments about entire countries are much too grandiose and strident to count as thoughtful comments here. No matter how you feel about policy there are always many people in any country who are not part of it. Some of them are on HN. Those readers have a right to come here and not see comments denouncing their country and often (by implication if not explicitly) their ethnicity, and in a way their families too. Moreover, since such comments are pure flamebait, they are a vector toward this site destroying itself with flamewar and we have a duty to prevent that.

I appreciate what you say about the history of your family. I'd be interested to hear more about that, if there were a good context for it. Still, we need room for more gradations of behavior than extreme words like "appeasement" allow for. If the logic here is "China" -> "I don't believe in appeasement" -> "China is evil", that's far too blunt an instrument to smash into HN conversations with. You're not doing any good by fighting battles in that way. You're just adding, in a small way, more violence, and giving people a good reason (emotionally if not rationally) to retaliate.

I think it would be best if you'd review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and try to take the spirit of this site more to heart. You're welcome here. But those guidelines are not an arbitrary hodge-podge of tonal tastes. They're carefully designed, through deep experience over many years, to try to prevent this forum from destroying itself, the way that internet forums traditionally have. That was the founding intention of this site [1], and it's no small matter. Internet discussions have a strong tendency to flamewar, and internet forums turn into scorched earth by default [2]. We're trying to stave that fate off for as long as we can [3]. For that reason, we have no choice but to ban accounts that refuse to help protect the commons here.

I think if you would stretch a bit to understand this, and see why the rules are the way they are, you'd realize that it's in your interest to participate in the community in a different way—one that is less bludgeoning. It's in your interest because that's what keeps the community interesting, which is the only reason any of us comes here. You can still make all your substantive points if you switch from a denunciatory/flamewar style to a thoughtful/curious one. Indeed, they'll be better for it and will probably lead you to new insights that make for better comments yet.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

[3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

>These judgments about entire countries are much too grandiose and strident to count as thoughtful comments here.

They are not really thoughtful comments. I dont know how productive they are but I guess some people appreciate them. I dont want to contribute to a circlejerk of "we hate china". For sure not.

I usually get carried away though.

>Those readers have a right to come here and not see comments denouncing their country and often (by implication if not explicitly) their ethnicity, and in a way their families too. Moreover, since such comments are pure flamebait, they are a vector toward this site destroying itself with flamewar and we have a duty to prevent that.

Sure do I have the right not to be dismissed by "americansplaining"?

I dont really disagree with anything you have said I just find it incredibly difficult to discuss controversial topics on the internet.

> We are defending western civilization.

I've rarely seen this kind of hiperbole on hn. Who is we? What does it mean to defend? What exactly is the connection to Western civilization here?

> I would rather China to collapse than to see it replace the US of A.

Is this in any way pertinent to the topic being discussed? Is there a risk that China would collapse if Huawei gets into business trouble? Is there any risk that China would "replace" the US if Huawei doesn't get into trouble?

Guarantee you're going to catch downvotes for this comment, but you're 100% right.

The evils of the US and China are not even comparable in the modern era. A million plus in concentration camps, secret police disappearing journalists/doctors/dissidents, absolute authoritarian control over citizens lives, replacement of ethnic minorities en masse, organ harvesting, wholesale theft of IP and technology, etc etc etc.

It's such a tired and played out argument of "but in 1973 America did [bad thing]".

Please do not take HN threads further into generic ideological and/or nationalistic battle. It is tedious, predictable, nasty, and off topic.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

America still does bad things to this day, and they can definitely be compared to China's bad things...but one may far outweigh the other. I agree with the GP's sentiment but there's no reason we can't offer criticism on both.

Sure, you _can_ compare them, just like you can compare a '93 Civic and a Model S.

100% agree - definitely an unpopular opinion on this site from my experience but I appreciate your post.

Between this comment and the ethnic attack in your other recent comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23277011), I have to tell you that any more of this will get you banned here.

Great - you should then uphold the same standards against pro-CCP users instead of promoting them on this site bud.