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Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by uoaei on Thursday May 21, 2020 @09:42PM (#23267862)
> It is a representation of the value of the labor of that human.

By withholding economic power until someone provides "labor" as defined by the state, and leaving them embedded in an economy which requires money to survive, you are directly tying the value of the human life to the value of their labor.

> giving to charities

Interesting, probably has a lot to do with the low taxes and high amount of disposable income.

Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by WalterBright on Thursday May 21, 2020 @09:51PM (#23267915)
> probably has a lot to do with the low taxes and high amount of disposable income.

A young lady I used to know was the kindest person I ever met. She didn't have much, but would donate a few dollars to every charity that called. They had her number, and called her all the time.

She was the real deal, not one of those people who are only generous with someone else's money.

> you are directly tying the value of the human life to the value of their labor.

Oh baloney. Plenty of people will voluntarily give food to a hungry person.

Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by uoaei on Thursday May 21, 2020 @10:48PM (#23268227)
If "plenty of people" can be organized to consent to giving up money, maybe we can organize some kind of centralized method to collect funds and distribute resources to those in need. We can probably set up something through the government for this. Come to think of it, shipping food around is a lot harder than just giving money to them to go buy their own. Why don't we make it so the government hands out money to everyone who needs it, so that we can coordinate the good deeds of many to serve the needs of many more?

I hope you see where I'm going with this.

Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by WalterBright on Friday May 22, 2020 @01:48AM (#23269025)
It's called the Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, United Way, Wounded Warriors, Shriner's Hospital, etc., etc. No government needed.
Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by Frondo on Thursday May 21, 2020 @10:25PM (#23268113)
"Plenty of people will voluntarily give food to a hungry person."

Not enough, with the amount of hunger that's present in the richest country in the world.

Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by WalterBright on Friday May 22, 2020 @01:51AM (#23269039)
I encourage you to give generously to your local food bank. You'll be doing the right thing.
Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by Frondo on Friday May 22, 2020 @03:31AM (#23269549)
Charity has never adequately addressed social problems in America.

signed, a surfer

Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by WalterBright on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:22AM (#23270491)
I'm not aware of any social problem that has been adequately resolved by any organization, government or private. There's always someone who thinks it's not good enough.

Certainly UBI isn't going to do it, either.

Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by Frondo on Friday May 22, 2020 @10:52AM (#23272732)
There are 12 US cities that have achieved "functional zero" homelessness -- no chronic homelessness and no homeless vets.

The country of Finland has done the same, with a plan to reach absolute zero (nobody staying temporarily with friends or relatives) by 2022. Right now, over there, with 5.5 million people, 500 people don't have permanent housing of their own.

Does that count?

Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by WalterBright on Friday May 22, 2020 @04:29PM (#23276577)
> 500 people don't have permanent housing of their own.

I.e. it's inadequate.

Re:Jack Dorsey is giving Andrew Yang $5M to build the case f... by Frondo on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:31PM (#23277287)
You said: "I'm not aware of any social problem that has been adequately resolved by any organization, government or private. There's always someone who thinks it's not good enough."

If you think that 500 people out of 5.5 million -- who aren't sleeping on the street, but have access to shelter and only lack their own permanent housing, with a plan to house them in the next two years -- is "inadequate," that's a you problem, not a "no social problem has adequately been resolved by any organization" problem.

Try surfing, man. It might relax you.