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Re:An Amazon programmer’s perspective (2015) by majormajor on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:17PM (#23263572)
> Remember when I mentioned Amazon's moving and signing bonus? Little caveat on that, if you leave or are fired within 2 years, you have to pay it back.

Paying back a signing bonus if they fire you seems super rough. Is this common elsewhere? 2 years also seems high - the time I got a signing bonus, it was "pay back if you leave voluntarily in 1 year" which was much nicer than the described.

Unfortunately, much of this seems pretty common, especially months-of-crunch-time. Being able to figure out projects to avoid (if you're at a big corp like this where such things are possible), and being able to avoid them is a very good career skill to cultivate.

On-call can work quite well if the team has sufficient ownership to improve the underlying issues, not just keep the lights on. I've done this with good success. I'm often disappointed by how many managers and companies I've seen who don't get that aspect.

Believing too much in mantras like "adding manpower to a late software project makes it later" can be dangerous, too, though. How well it works depends on the manager and the person scoping and planning the work. Another critical skill to develop to escape being the person doing the grunt work.

Re:An Amazon programmer’s perspective (2015) by lowiqengineer on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:19PM (#23263612)
> Paying back a signing bonus if they fire you seems super rough. Is this common elsewhere? 2 years also seems high - the time I got a signing bonus, it was "pay back if you leave voluntarily in 1 year" which was much nicer than the described.

I actually don't think this is true. My understanding is if you're PIPed they don't really care. The signing bonus is paid out monthly the 2nd year (and for people hired at SDE2+ its first year too) so you don't have to pay it back after the first year.

Disclaimer: Amazon L4

Re:An Amazon programmer’s perspective (2015) by plandis on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:49PM (#23264053)
My experience with Amazon is that my signing bonus was in two parts:

Part one is in your first year where you get a lump sum signing bonus with your first paycheck (paid monthly) with the understanding that if you leave you would pay back a pro-rated amount proportional to how many months were left in the year.

Part two is in your second year and is paid partially with every pay check and if you leave you don’t pay anything back, you just don’t get the remainder of the money to be paid out the rest of the year.

After year two stock vests tend to vastly outpace the signing bonus pay but I’d imagine this varies on the stock price.

Re:An Amazon programmer’s perspective (2015) by myalphabet on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:29PM (#23263782)
I fear OP may have misunderstood how the signing bonus works and it seems to have caused him undue stress.

I've interviewed at Amazon and had a lot of conversations about compensation. I don't know about the terms of the relocation bonus, but for the signing bonus, you don't pay it back if you are fired and even if you leave voluntarily, you only pay back a pro-rated amount. For example if your signing bonus is $20k, and you leave at the 6 months mark, you owe $10k back but you get to keep the other $10k.

Re:An Amazon programmer’s perspective (2015) by o10449366 on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:38PM (#23263876)
I'm surprised at how many people in this thread are misunderstanding this. Every tech company I've seen has had a stipulation saying you have to pay back signing bonus or relocation if you leave within 1 year.
Re:An Amazon programmer’s perspective (2015) by myalphabet on Thursday May 21, 2020 @05:16PM (#23265478)
Yea, that's something else I forgot to mention. I chalk it up to OP possibly being inexperienced/naive (I think this was his first job out of college), but I have worked with a lot of companies and all of them require you to pay back at least part of your signing bonus if you quit within a year.

When I graduated college, all of my friend group discussed it and we all took out a small chunk of the bonus to go on a small group vacation, but the rest of the bonus got put into an investment account and not touched for at least a year. That way if we did decide to leave, the money was easily accessible to be paid back. I know not everyone has that flexibility, but it's probably the best way to approach signing bonuses if you're not 100% sure you will be at the company long term.

Re:An Amazon programmer’s perspective (2015) by ng12 on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:21PM (#23263641)
I've heard that companies rarely enforce these clauses unless you really burned a bridge. If anything they won't give you severance if you quit within the first year.
Re:An Amazon programmer’s perspective (2015) by rantwasp on Thursday May 21, 2020 @04:44PM (#23264964)
it’s usually split in 24 monthly payments. also, when it was a large chunk the contract said it would be pro-rate it.

also, anecdotally, it you were fired they would not ask for the bonus back - it opened a whole can of worms in the wrongful termination bucket

so op definitely did not read his employment contract