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Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by AbrahamParangi on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:30PM (#23262765)
I’ll reiterate a point I’ve made before: the ultimate question is whether YouTube (and other social media platforms) should be permitted both the power to control on their platform as well as the freedom from liability of a common carrier. They exist in a limbo where they have their cake and eat it too- which I think is ultimately untenable.
Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by Justsignedup on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:50PM (#23263137)
The problem we face is that social media is about echoing information, not validity, which is how misinformation spreads so rapidly, because it sounds like what people want to hear.

There is no precedent in human history in such a thing. A private entity which controls so much public understanding and opinion.

Making YouTube liable for content would go a long way in helping keep YT content honest, and solve the moderator problem. YT will either moderate or die.

The reason YT could get so popular is because they neither have to moderate, nor fact check, but still get the benefits of being informational. This is true for ALL social media, unfortunately. How would one go about moderating the thousands of hours of content produced every hour in TikTok? Etc.

Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by AbrahamParangi on Thursday May 21, 2020 @05:19PM (#23265515)
For what it's worth, I do not think people in the past were more informed than people today. If anything, more people are more informed today than at any time in history.

What we're seeing is the breakdown of consolidated narratives. It used to be that people's beliefs were all wrong in the same way. You'll note that this looks basically identical to everyone being well informed.

Now that we've moved into a regime of information abundance it looks like the world's gone crazy, when really it's just decohered.

That said, youtube as a vector is spreading the most virulent memetic viruses we've ever seen. Hard to say how it shakes out though, memes aren't all bad. Everything good we've ever done started off as a meme too.

Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by acituan on Friday May 22, 2020 @01:10AM (#23268839)
> If anything, more people are more informed today than at any time in history.

Quantity and access to information is only one side of the equation. The other side is relevance and the meaning that information affords us. If it doesn’t help us orient ourselves better in the world, if we can’t make sense of it, that information is useless, or even harmful. Decohered is the right word, but I don’t think it is only a product of the drastic increase in virality of memes. It is also our sense-making apparatus being broken or hugely behind the information influx that is created by the platform. This like informational obesity, influx of calories that can’t be translated into nutrition. Right now youtube’s policy layer and recommendation algorithms are the only machinery for deciding relevance and sense making on this exponential transfer of information happening. A black box machinery built for maximizing ad revenue, will naturally fall short on making us wiser, relevant or coherent. In fact, it is more natural for ad revenue maximizing to align better with us being more consumptive, polarized and addicted.

Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by int_19h on Thursday May 21, 2020 @09:08PM (#23267659)
The problem is that memes themselves undergo natural selection, which favors the "bad" ones overall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc

Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by AbrahamParangi on Friday May 22, 2020 @03:36PM (#23276009)
I don't think this is true in the long run, any more than genes which favor their propagation are bad in the long run. In the short term, viruses, cancers, shitty memes, doomsday cults and other low-sophistication replicators are favored.

But long term you get things like multicellularity, complex nervous systems, the scientific method, civilization and art. The road may be rocky but I see no reason for it to be any different here.

Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by int_19h on Saturday May 23, 2020 @02:50AM (#23280595)
It's "bad" for us as individuals with our cultural background. It's not necessarily "bad" for the memes themselves, especially since the ultimate score in this game is to have an entire civilization proactively spreading the meme to others. Christianity, Islam, and other proselytizing religions are a good example.
Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by AbrahamParangi on Monday May 25, 2020 @03:47AM (#23298966)
I suspect that the old, successful memes are good for their hosts by many definitions of good.
Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by root_axis on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:18PM (#23263594)
> the ultimate question is whether YouTube (and other social media platforms) should be permitted both the power to control on their platform as well as the freedom from liability of a common carrier

I disagree that this is the ultimate question or that this is in any way a problem that merits a changing of the laws (as current law explicitly permits this). Websites aren't common carriers, and I don't see a compelling reason to force websites to host content that they disagree with for any reason. I don't see any connection between the idea between popularity and the loss of editorial control of your own website.

> They exist in a limbo where they have their cake and eat it too- which I think is ultimately untenable.

Moderation is part of the product. I would argue that the idea that we can effectively constrict companies into a specific type of moderation behavior is what's untenable because it strikes at the heart of the creative freedom to build a website and online community with respect to your own ideals.

Re:YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on C... by AbrahamParangi on Thursday May 21, 2020 @05:10PM (#23265385)
To be clear, I think either position is fine. If you want control over what people say that's okay - but maybe then you should be accountable for what they say like a publisher.

If you don't want to be accountable for what people say, that's fine - but maybe then like a traditional common carrier you shouldn't get to control what people say.

The asymmetry of "I control everything you can say but am accountable for none of it" is wrong, in my eyes.