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Re:DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @12:54PM (#23249094)
> what do you mean you wanted to install applications to an external disk?

Kinda illustrates my point about this being a foreign concept to Linux Desktop people. It's pretty simple: I want to put an application on an external disk and run it from there.

> if you have a separate OS on the external drive, you could chroot in and install it.

No thanks. I'd just like to have the application stored on an external disk, and execute it on the OS I have installed.

> If you just want that one application to be on the other disk, you could mount it to wherever on the filesystem the program would be installed.

Not really, because Linux likes to have an application spread its files all over the hierarchy, so in reality I need to either use some form of union-mounting, and/or simlinks. Of course that is only sufficient if there are no library conflicts between what the application wants and what the system uses, in that case I need to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH and other tricks. In some cases I'll need to use a launch script that calls a different ld.so.

That's a lot of hoops compared to how sane operating systems do it.

> LVM to share disk space between the disks

System breaks when disk is removed. No good.

> Flatpak, Snap, Appimage and other portable format aren't really preferable. they lead to a software ecosystem that amounts to just downloading and running executable binaries off the internet, each with their own overhead.

Which is pretty much what I want, because the alternative is dealing with the bullshit I mentioned above whenever you step outside the package manager's sandbox.

Re:DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux by monocasa on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @02:18PM (#23250026)
NixOS gets you there I think. They deviate from the standard hierarchy to keep each application in its own directory that could be installed on it's own drive if need be, then with symlinks back to the main tree for legacy purposes. Like /bin/sh would be a symlink to /nix/store/s/5rnfzla9kcx4mj5zdc7nlnv8na1najvg-bash-4.3.43/bash but only because there's enough legacy out there that expects /bin/sh to be runnable verbatim.
Re:DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @03:45PM (#23250922)
Now if only I didn't need to learn a new language in addition to all the OS tooling to use NixOS.

This is what AppImage gets that the rest of Linux doesn't seem to: if an application is a single file/folder, you don't need anything more complicated than a file manager to manage it.

P.S.: after a quick glance at some documentation, I don't see any mechanism that would allow me to install nix packages to arbitrary locations anyway.

Re:DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux by smaudet on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @06:33PM (#23330937)
I'd like to point out that having random programs scatted across external HDDs is an anti-feature to me. I never remember which files are where as it is. And too easy to screw things up by unplugging the drive...

Nevertheless it can be done - if you are dedicated, recompile the program with the prefix changed to the mounted root of your separate drive. Presto, automated installs to your external drive. Now, linking up all the bits can still be a right headache, but this is just a bigger nightmare on Windows (what will you DO if your drive letter changes?? You mean I don't have any system to automatically link up random programs on random drives which may or may not be present. Gosh darn, that package manager sounds like a good idea now...)

If you're using a laptop, you're probably due for an upgrade in HDD capacity, or if you're lucky enough to be on Desktop I'd recommend a board with hotplug capability and using LVM. I think no matter your platform you're going to have a hell of a lot of problems doing things your way. If you can patch the package manager to be able to do this, amazing! I don't think any system exists like this, period.

Re:DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux by drran on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @03:54PM (#23251023)
You mean you want an actual installer, like in DOS or Windows? IMHO, it's crazy.

I had similar problem. I joined two physical disks into one logical using LVM and forgot about problem. :-/

Re:DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @04:02PM (#23251107)
> You mean you want an actual installer, like in DOS or Windows? IMHO, it's crazy.

Well that's still better, in my opinion, than package managers and all their various restrictions. But ideally I want something like AppImage, where an application is a singular entity that can just be moved at will and run from wherever [0]. Most DOS programs and many Windows programs (if you extract them from the installer) will still work like that.

> I had similar problem. I joined two physical disks into one logical using LVM and forgot about problem. :-/

If you unplug the external disk, your system stops working. This is not what I want, as I mentioned already in the post you're replying to.

[0] classic MacOS, RiscOS, and NeXT all had programs that worked like this too. Linux has yet to achieve the flexibility in application management afforded by the OSs of the 1980s.