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Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by MattGaiser on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @02:40AM (#23243939)
> There are more than enough unemployed people to fill any gaps created.

Except that isn't what actually happens. Even without basic income and in the depths of the recession, certain categories of jobs (especially in agriculture) could not be filled.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/West_Pa...

Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by Ma8ee on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @02:51AM (#23244015)
Because they don’t pay well enough, or has other disadvantages, like far away seasonal jobs so you have to sleep in barracks with other seasonal workers.

It is actually a good thing that even the poor and unemployed put a value on their time higher than zero.

Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by ragebol on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @02:47AM (#23243992)
Then there are 2 options: automate agricultural jobs (in progress) or make the work more desirable (raise the wages and/or make it less straining)
Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @11:10AM (#23247786)
John Deere alone has 100 million acres under automated tillage, worldwide.
Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by maxwindiff on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @02:46AM (#23243990)
Then those jobs won't be filled whether there is UBI or not anyway.
Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by deegles on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @11:09AM (#23247773)
I.E. Millions of people won't have to do backbreaking labor for pennies, that sounds good to me. Maybe the jobs shouldn't exist.
Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by konschubert on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @02:47AM (#23243999)
Then maybe these jobs should pay better.

Isn’t that how capitalism works?

Conversely, if the salaries aren’t going up then there probably isn’t actually a real labour shortage.

“My startup went out of business because i couldn’t find devs to work for 20K” is a statement that would rightfully get laughed at in here.

When a farmer says the same thing people should equally call bullshit.

Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by musicale on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:07PM (#23252529)
> “My startup went out of business because i couldn’t find devs to work for 20K” is a statement that would rightfully get laughed at in here.

Company: We are absolute desperate to hire workers but we just can't find any, anywhere! What can we possibly do?

Job seeker: Have you considered raising wages to attract more applicants?

Company: Haha, you're joking right?

Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by andi999 on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @02:54AM (#23244032)
Maybe, maybe not. If your production price gets higher thsn the price for importing the same good you are getting out of business (or production is leavinf the country). Not sure if this is the case for agriculture.
Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @11:12AM (#23247812)
Maybe not. Its about the market. My son is a line engineer in a film-coating plant. They need operators chronically. The average operator lasts 2 weeks.

Its hot/cold (depending on the season), humid, very noisy, vibration. Almost every American would rather work anywhere else.

Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by ponow on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @12:07PM (#23248519)
If it's that important for them to have less turnover, then they would pay for it with higher salary or other perks. But apparently it's not that important to them, due to the fact that they're still in business despite the terrible turnover situation.
Re:The evidence behind putting money directly in the pockets... by bluedino on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:47AM (#23246706)
>> My startup went out of business because i couldn’t find devs to work for 20k

Double your prices, or hire devs in Elbonia.