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Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @10:45AM (#23235415)
> we need a new law barring all 3rd party tracking, data brokering, and all individually tailored advertising

Why do we need to ban it? I care about my privacy. I would like clear disclosures and easy opt outs. But I don't need it banned for everyone else.

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by ardy42 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @10:54AM (#23235513)
>> we need a new law barring all 3rd party tracking, data brokering, and all individually tailored advertising

> Why do we need to ban it? I care about my privacy. I would like clear disclosures and easy opt outs. But I don't need it banned for everyone else.

Opt-outs aren't practical for the consumer and therefore don't work [1]. All that tracking/data brokering needs to be banned unless clear disclosures have been made and the consumer explicitly opts-in.

[1] I know: years ago I literally spent several 8-hour days opting myself out of just one kind of data broker (scammy online people search websites). I still haven't gotten around to doing that for my wife, who is less likely to engage in quixotic quests, and sees opting out as a pointless waste of time.

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by YetAnotherMatt on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:04AM (#23235611)
What would you think about a law that makes easy opt-outs mandatory, with heavy fines for non-compliance?
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by troydavis on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:14PM (#23236541)
CCPA tried to do that by requiring a prominent "Do not sell my information" link – and still didn't succeed: https://fpf.org/2019/12/19/examining-industry-approaches-to-...

A significant minority of the target audience has never heard or seen the phrase "opt out." Here's an example just how hard it is to explain what's happening and make this discoverable, let alone make it easy: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/02/ccpa-comments-roun...

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by ardy42 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:16AM (#23235762)
> What would you think about a law that makes easy opt-outs mandatory, with heavy fines for non-compliance?

Better, but still not good enough. Finding and filling out 300 simple forms is still a lot of work and requires perfect vigilance. IMHO, opt-out is basically privacy theater: make it theoretically possible but practically impossible.

Any opt-out system that comes anywhere close to being effective is just one default-change away from being the opt-in system that is should be.

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by philliphaydon on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:05AM (#23235622)
If a site knows I’m 35 and like computers and uses that to advertise to me I’m fine.

What I hate is that I search Agoda without being logged in, in an incognito browser. Then I go to Facebook in a different browser and it shows me adverts for those hotels I looked. I hate my data is shared beyond where I initially put it.

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by criddell on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:02AM (#23235592)
If it isn't going to be banned, how about just making it opt-in?