That's a good description of where I'm at, and I keep wondering if maybe the definition most people are using for "consciousness" just doesn't match mine. The longer I meditate, the less consciousness matters to me; it seems totally clear that I become aware of things after they've already been generated elsewhere in my brain, and that awareness is just a kind of self-reflection which maybe helps with higher-order planning or whatever. I'm still open to realizing I've missed the mark--especially because so many prominent meditators seem very focused on (or even enthralled by) mysteries of consciousness. Until then, I'm really struggling with why people would try to elevate this subjective experience to a fundamental aspect of physics.

> I keep wondering if maybe the definition most people are using for "consciousness" just doesn't match mine

I think this is true, when we talk about consciousness we talk about it as if consciousness has the ability to control the body and speak and that our thoughts are controlled by our consciousness. I think illusionist arguments are very strong here against that. We can change how someone thinks or acts based off of physical stuff (like lead poisoning someone) therefore those things must mostly be physical.

I have come to the conclusion that conciseness probably is only an experiential thing. It might not be able to control anything but there is something fundamental there experiencing something. We cant know that the world is real: we could a brain in a jar, or in the matrix, or on a massive DMT trip right now. But we can know "I think therefore I am", probably better written I experience therefore I am. It seems very strange to throw out the one thing we know to be true, that we are having a conscious experience, in favour of something we don't know to be true, that the world is real and causing that experience.

> I have come to the conclusion that conciseness probably is only an experiential thing. It might not be able to control anything [..]

Doesn't it cause us to at least have these kinds of conversations?

There is always still the _subjective experience_ of paying attention to whatever I'm paying attention to, of "being the one that sees my visual field", and so on.

There must be fundamental difference between the subjective experience I have of vision and that of a computer with a camera and processing software, I can't imagine that it has a similar experience.

How come there _is_ a subjective "me" that experiences things and can pay attention to them? Given that we are clearly bags full of extremely fancy chemical reactions.

I think there is a difference there, but it's largely because the computer with a camera is such a simple system at this point.

In contrast, you have many, many layers of very sophisticated and interconnected abstraction and reality modeling between that visual stream and other forms of processing. Typically, the higher the level of abstraction, the more "aware" of it you are as it gets filtered and dumped into your attention centers.

In short, even our most sophisticated state of the art "deep" learning algorithms are but puddles compared to the ocean of depth available in your brain. ...and almost none have any form of attentive aggregation and selection.

> There is always still the _subjective experience_ of paying attention to whatever I'm paying attention to, of "being the one that sees my visual field", and so on.

"Being me" is an experience or feeling. We have lots of other feelings both from within and outside our bodies. Could it be that consciousness is simply how it feels to have a focus of thoughts and attention in our brains?

Are you aware of the model of the mind system from The Mind Illuminated (a book that teaches meditation)?

First, I have to clarify concepts. There is a consciousness created by the mind. It's the place where sensory input is experienced. It's also the place where thoughts are experienced. It's basically the screen that allows the different parts of the mind system to communicate.

Then, there's the consciousness talked about in this article. It's a more primordial quality.

Now, that model of the mind system says that attention and awareness are the two modes of the mind. Consciousness as the screen of experience is created by the mind. Perception is created by the mind as well.

That’s the “Flashlight in the Dark” concept of consciousness as the focus of attention.