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Re:Georgism by crazygringo on Sunday May 17, 2020 @05:11PM (#23215533)
I don't believe so. It's considered to remove distortions in land use, as compared to property taxes that include the value of structures. In other words, you get less vacant lots and more productive use of land. Which there are good arguments for.

But proposing to replace income and sales taxes with land value taxes, making it the primary tax -- which would necessarily skyrocket the land value tax to produce the same tax revenue at the end of the day -- would be extremely distortionary.

Re:Georgism by VHRanger on Sunday May 17, 2020 @07:24PM (#23216481)
> I don't believe so.

Thanks for giving your off the cuff opinion against a consensus of people studying the question

> which would necessarily skyrocket the land value tax to produce the same tax revenue at the end of the day -- would be extremely distortionary.

It's distortionary against the existing distortions, by reducing them.

Anything reducing tax distortions is "distortionary" by your argument's logic

Re:Georgism by crazygringo on Sunday May 17, 2020 @08:26PM (#23216876)
Thanks for assuming that it's an "off-the-cuff opinion", as opposed to what might have been gathered from a great deal of expert reading. I was trying to be polite -- unlike yourself, sadly.

Why don't you educate yourself? Starting here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimal_tax

As you can plainly see, land value tax is hardly the centerpiece of strategies to minimize distortion. In fact, it's left for the end of the last section of the article. Because while it's a proposal for sure, it's certainly anything but a consensus, in reality.

Re:Georgism by VHRanger on Sunday May 17, 2020 @10:14PM (#23217509)
I'm sorry, but offhandedly dismissing opinions like you did there triggers snippy reactions from me.

That said your opinion is clearly not gathered by expert reading, because I've done that reading and it comes to a different conclusion.

If you're interested in optimal taxation, I'd skip reading Wikipedia page and just go read the 2008 Mankiw literature review on "optimal taxation in theory and practice" instead. It doesn't touch land value taxation (which is a niche topic) but is very accessible and a good read.

Second, when metropolitan LVT is studied, the theoretical social benefits are large bordering on the absurd. Here's a study by the NY fed:

https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/econo...

It massively reduces income and wealth inequality (lots of inequality is tied up in urban real estate ownership).

Re:Georgism by crazygringo on Monday May 18, 2020 @12:27AM (#23218342)
I personally think the land value tax has a lot going for it, in contrast to a property tax. Social benefits are great.

But that has nothing to do with land value tax being the distortion-minimizing solution for optimal taxation -- which it isn't -- and is what I was originally responding to.

So then I'm not sure you're even disagreeing with me.

Re:Georgism by leetcrew on Sunday May 17, 2020 @10:37PM (#23217668)
just curious, what sort of distortions would you expect to see with a very high LVT?