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Re:Georgism by PeterisP on Sunday May 17, 2020 @09:50AM (#23211966)
Some time ago wealth and production of wealth was heavily tied to land, agriculture and various natural resources were key to the wealth of a nation.

This is not the case any more - only a tiny fraction of our economy is tied to the land, primary production (agriculture/forestry/fishing and mining including oil) is just a few percent of the total economy; real estate/rents/leasing is perhaps 15% but most of that is related to the value of buildings, not the value of land. For extremely wealthy people, almost nothing of their wealth or income is in the form of land, because land is not worth that much. The current billionaires aren't major landowners, we're not Victorian age with most of the upper class being rentiers living off the rents of their land estates; the upper class is living off the dividends of their capital which is not tied to land and would be tax-free in a land-tax-only regime.

Extremely large taxes on land (or are we talking about an orders of magnitude reduction in the toal tax burden, and not just about the type of taxation? If we want to drastically cut the total volume of taxes, then that becomes the main topic, not the means of collecting taxes) while not the taxing the other 90% of the economy at all is not really a reasonable solution for modern times. It may have been reasonable in 1870s, but right now all it would just remove pretty much all taxes from all the very wealthy people and corporations, while putting all the tax burden on owners of farms and homes, and the 1.5% of USA economy that handles mining.

Re:Georgism by MiroF on Sunday May 17, 2020 @09:55AM (#23211994)
"Land" for George is just things you can rent-seek on and are fixed in supply, that includes stuff like intellectual property, etc.

> real estate/rents/leasing is perhaps 15% but most of that is related to the value of buildings, not the value of land.

Not at all clear that most of that is related to the value of the building and also you conveniently neglect to mention that that is the largest share of GDP out of any industry in the world.

Further, land includes a lot more stuff that is not counted in the economic measures you are using. [0]

[0]: https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/03068290...

Re:Georgism by CydeWeys on Sunday May 17, 2020 @10:04AM (#23212060)
How do you determine the value of intellectual property if not by looking at how much income is actually being derived from said IP? And at that point, don't you just have the same income-based corporate taxation that we already have, with extra steps?
Re:Georgism by MiroF on Sunday May 17, 2020 @10:14AM (#23212134)
> How do you determine the value of intellectual property if not by looking at how much income is actually being derived from said IP?

I agree that determining the value of IP is difficult. Georgists would probably advocate that there is no reason for IP to be in private hands in the first place, nor any need for a system of IP.

Alternatively, you could give temporary ownership of the IP to the creator (like we already do, except without the absurd lengths of time), then when that expires, put it up for auction to determine the pricing, then tax based on that.

Re:Georgism by jrs235 on Sunday May 17, 2020 @10:39AM (#23212319)
You hold an annual auction for the exclusive rights to the property that the tax will be derived from. The current owner can choose to keep the rights and pay the tax or they can choose to sell the exclusive rights to the highest bidder who must pay and then becomes the holder of the exclusive use rights and the new owner would then also pay the tax based on the known value.

This might also usher out IP trolls and IP squatters.

Re:Georgism by sudosysgen on Sunday May 17, 2020 @11:37AM (#23212688)
This will not help determine the true price of IP, as such a system will be endlessly exploited by bad faith actors.
Re:Georgism by MiroF on Sunday May 17, 2020 @11:44AM (#23212728)
> exploited by bad faith actors

What? How?

Re:Georgism by snidane on Sunday May 17, 2020 @10:05AM (#23212068)
Land is still necessary for production.

Maybe it will help to think of "land" as "location" since it is not the actual soil but the location which Georgists keep talking about.

If you are a modern services company you need to have access to large pool of qualified people - which happens to be in big cities. So you need a great location for your office to attract people from this talent pool. Location (aka land) therefore is an important input to your business and you will pay a lot for it.

Second, wealthy people park their money (regardless of origin, good or bad) in real estate. That drives living costs for non wealthy people.

It turns out it is non-wealthy workers who pay taxes which fund infrastructure development which benefits wealthy owners of real estate by increasing value of their property.

Georgists promote reversal of the present day funding scheme from nonwealthy workers to wealthy land owners with money parked in real estate. With the alternative being simple "taxing" of locational value to fund government services with two main outcomes

1. reducing tax burden on workers and small business 2. reducing cost of living (rents) by properly allocating land (mostly city land, not agricultural)