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Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by msandford on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:49PM (#23208424)
So are we going to ban all cars now? Average automobile deaths are ~30k per year. They're non essential. Let's all stop driving. "do whatever it takes to save lives"
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by rajangdavis on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:06PM (#23208519)
That's not taking the argument in good faith. Car accidents aren't infectious and furthermore, we don't see 30k deaths in the span of 2 months.

I think Musk could have fared better working with the government to make it feasible to work in the Tesla factories and limit exposure and provide a model for other businesses. Instead he just went ahead and has no guarantee that his employees won't be exposed.

Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by dgzl on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:16PM (#23208593)
Road rage is infectious but I'm not sure why it matters anyway.
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by all2well on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:56PM (#23208462)
About ~16k people are murdered every year in the US, however I would assume you think it's worthwhile to try and do something about that
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by miguelmota on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:13PM (#23208577)
Your argument is a logical fallacy. Car accidents are not contagious.
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by new_realist on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:55PM (#23208456)
COVID deaths are near 90K in the US (so far).
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by protomyth on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:10PM (#23208549)
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Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by KittenInABox on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:13PM (#23208579)
Do you have sources that suicide is being counted as covid deaths?
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by bsder on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:16PM (#23208597)
Deaths by other causes--flu, pneumonia, clots, strokes, etc. are all being reported as above normal levels. That's a sign that Covid-related cases are likely being undercounted rather than your unsubstantiated assertions of overcounting.
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by throwaway45783 on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:58PM (#23208475)
That's a whataboutism. And actually driving is essential if you live on the west coast. And we should be doing everything we can to make it so that it's not essential, but it turns out that's a deeply political issue.
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by new_realist on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:59PM (#23208482)
These cars are not being made for California, but for China. Tesla has adequate inventory for sale in the US.
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by throwaway45783 on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:12PM (#23208566)
The comment I was responding to wasn't actually about the cars being made, but just about driving in general.
Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by umvi on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:57PM (#23208465)
> do whatever it takes to save lives

When did this become the norm? It happened sometime in the last decade, this idea that life is the ultimate metric with which to measure the utility of some action.

I agree that life is precious and up there in importance, but I do not agree that it is the most important variable to optimize for. There are things more precious than life, such as freedom. Specifically, freedom that can be guaranteed for the next generation.

I worry that the "save lives" crusaders will eventually win and everyone will be safely enslaved in a brave new world of a super powerful government that doesn't let you do anything except have sex and do recreational drugs.

Re:California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tes... by nine_k on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:20PM (#23208628)
This only applies is you speak about your own life.

Once you speak about someone else's — no, life is the most precious part you need to preserve. The reason is simple: any material things can be replaced, but a life, once stopped, cannot be reinstated.

The trouble with deep economy shutdown, though, is that it becomes a trolley problem: do you want to save some more lives today at the risk of having more people die later because of the consequences? I think this is where the war mentality should kick in: we need to fight and have our commanders risk our lives, so that the other people we care about would live. It's not that bad yet, though, except for the medical personnel.