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Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by cwhiz on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:29AM (#23202855)
Let’s remove the fed money printing machine and find out what real investors think of the market.
Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by criddell on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:03AM (#23203052)
That seems like it would be a terrible idea. The ability to create money up until the point of inflation seems like a key tool to manage economic disasters like COVID-19.
Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by cwhiz on Saturday May 16, 2020 @10:14AM (#23203528)
There’s no inflation when the fed buys corporate bonds or bails out failed corporations. It is just propping up the market.

If the fed had given that money directly to consumers we might have inflation problems. They’ll never do that. Socialism only exists in America for corporations.

Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by mrep on Saturday May 16, 2020 @01:02PM (#23205137)
The fed cannot give directly to consumers. However, congress can and did give directly to consumers with the 1200 check, the 600 a week increase in unemployment, and indirectly by funding payroll for small businesses and the airlines. However, that created a whole lot of debt which the fed has been predominantly buying with their printed dollars as you can see in their balance sheet [0].

[0]: https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/h41.htm

Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by cwhiz on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:29PM (#23206478)
The fed is legally barred from directly lending to businesses or households except for in an emergency where they can do virtually anything they want.

Congress authorizes $300 billion in direct checks to consumers. The remaining $2.7 trillion went to businesses.

The fed has separately printed several trillion dollars lending to businesses, buying corporate bonds, and other actions.

What should the stock market be at right now? Who knows. We have no way to know because we won’t allow the market to tank.

Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by mrep on Saturday May 16, 2020 @05:49PM (#23207498)
> The remaining $2.7 trillion went to businesses.

Nope (and the total bill was 2.1 trillion not 3 trillion): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_Aid,_Relief,_and_E...

> The fed has separately printed several trillion dollars lending to businesses, buying corporate bonds, and other actions.

Also not even remotely true, they are predominately buying U.S. Treasury securities and Mortgage-backed securities: https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/h41.htm

Got any sources to back up your claims?

Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by criddell on Saturday May 16, 2020 @01:39PM (#23205482)
When there's no worries about inflation, is there a downside to the fed doing this?
Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by MiroF on Saturday May 16, 2020 @06:35PM (#23207763)
> There’s no inflation when the fed buys corporate bonds or bails out failed corporations. It is just propping up the market.

Respectfully, please read an economics textbook.

Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by cwhiz on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:41PM (#23209397)
Trillions printed, inflation flat.

Please tell me more.

Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by MiroF on Sunday May 17, 2020 @12:04AM (#23209468)
You're reasoning from a price change. Inflation is flat/decreasing only slightly because of the "printing", otherwise it would be sharply downwards.

The fed is engaging in aggressive monetary policy to prevent deflation.

The suggestion that buying corporate bonds (while holding everything else constant) is not inflationary is just not right. You can hold on to your mistaken beliefs, but just know that if you do so, it is in willing ignorance of the facts.

Re:Have the record number of investors in the stock market l... by dehrmann on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:37PM (#23206539)
I'm not convinced the Fed has added enough liquidity to even offset deflation. There's a lot of GDP not happening in Q2.