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Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by blackrock on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:19AM (#23202797)
What does he know that we don’t?

He just dumped most of his airline holdings, after losing some $5 billion dollars.

It seems he might be going into cash, and sitting things out, until a true correction hits, and then he’ll go back in and pick up companies for pennies on the dollar.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by Slartie on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:41AM (#23202923)
He lost a huge pile on Kraft Heinz, and that was pre-Corona. Didn't yet realize those losses AFAIK.

He lost a pile on the airlines and even decided to realize those losses.

He lost a pile on that petroleum company that I forgot the name of, but which crashed and burned recently due to oil prices plunging.

He hesitated a long time with tech stocks and lost a lot of money in the last decade due to opportunity cost. His only good bet in that area was Apple, and admittedly that paid off nicely, but even his big stake doesn't compensate for missing out on basically all other tech stocks. Especially since the size of his Apple investment suggests that he played a significant part in raising the Apple stock value, which means that he probably can't pull that out again without depressing the stock price.

Bottom line: I think Warren Buffett is overrated. He fails, just like anyone else.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by mxschumacher on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:36AM (#23203255)
I believe you would do well in studying the details of the deals you have mentioned before concluding they are failures.

Berkshire financed Occidental Petroleum's acquisition of Anadarco by giving $10 bn in cash. In return, BRK received:

- $10bn wort of perpetual cumulative preferred shares with a coupon of 8% (e.g. $800m a year). OXY can choose to pay in common shares instead of cash, but in this case Berkshire will get a discount. They have done this for the most recent quarterly dividend payment, since OXY's share price is so depressed, the $200m add up to a sizable position in OXY. If OXY doesn't pay the dividend, the coupon rises to 9% and has to be paid latter. OXY can redeem these shares at 105% of the nominal value in about 10 years.

- warrants to purchase 80m common shares until 2030, the strike price is $62.5, so this option is far out of the money. But given the extremely long duration (11 years) it is quite possible that those warrants become extremely valuable over time.

Let's wait for a few years and see how Berkshire does on the OXY trade.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by Scoundreller on Saturday May 16, 2020 @10:43AM (#23203761)
Ya, IMO, when he beats the market, it's his access to deals that the public can't get and then stamping your celebrity endorsement on it.

Maybe in the past there was lots of deep-value out there, but now we have analysts working every strategy.

Or squeeze a percent or two of efficiency by taking companies private under 1 umbrella. On average it works out, but it doesn't take many mistakes to sour it.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by mxschumacher on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:06AM (#23203955)
When Buffett cut cheques to Goldman, GE and Bank of America in the financial crisis of 2009/2010 there were not many other players willing or able to invest billions of dollars. Berkshire might have the most solid balance sheet in the world - they are strong when others are losing their shirt.

The source of Berkshire's strong performance was a combination of very good investments (buying American express in 1964) and insurance float, a great credit facility with negative interest rates.

Given the size of the private businesses Berkshire owns, it is quite naive to assess the firm purely on stock-picking performance of Buffett. The operating results really matter, producing $25bn+ of operating profits per year isn't too shabby.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by tguedes on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:34AM (#23203244)
Warren Buffet is currently overrated because he doesn't invest in a lot of tech stocks because he claims to not have a complete understanding of the business.If you look at his record from the 70s-90s, you will realize he is the greatest investor ever. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, don't judge a fish on its ability to fly.

I think its great that he doesn't invest that much into tech and is very public about it. It influences other people to not invest in every little thing that is popular if they don't understand the business mechanics behind it.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by perl4ever on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:40AM (#23209841)
At this point in his life, it seems meaningless to debate whether he's still a good investor. He won't have to live with the consequences of today's choices in twenty years. Neither money nor anything else can benefit him. With no incentives, it doesn't even matter if his ability is intact. In twenty years, his successors will either have run BRK into the ground or overshadowed him and nobody will look back to his final investments. Which he must know.
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by mrscottson on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:39PM (#23206554)
> Warren Buffet is currently overrated because he doesn't invest in a lot of tech stocks...

He's also overrated because of all the insider trading he engages in....he would be a lot poorer if the SEC had the resources/will to investigate his moves.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by valuearb on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:50PM (#23209428)
Lol, that’s clearly untrue. There is zero evidence he has done any insider trading ever.
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by mrscottson on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:20PM (#23227861)
>Lol, that’s clearly untrue

I don't think you know Buffetts track record.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by valuearb on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:34PM (#23238372)
I know more than you. Have you read both his biographies, his annual investor letters back to mid 70s, and have copies of all his Buffett Partnership letters from the 50s and 60s?

His track record and methods are an open book. And have never included insider trading.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by ohashi on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:47AM (#23202950)
Didn't he make that bet essentially by saying index funds would beat hedge funds?
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by valuearb on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:53PM (#23209434)
He won that bet handily, index funds had roughly 4 times higher returns than the hedge funds.
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by drumhead on Saturday May 16, 2020 @02:17PM (#23205823)
No, I dont think he's overated at all. See the article linked. https://www.barrons.com/articles/berkshire-hathaways-investi...
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by valuearb on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:54PM (#23209440)
During the period of all the failures you mention Berkshire is only up around 50%.
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by mam2 on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:23AM (#23202818)
He was not so wise on the airlines...
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by mxschumacher on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:44AM (#23203312)
because he didn't predict a global pandemic and a government ban on flying?

Selling at a loss is hard, Kudos to Berkshire for understanding that the world has changed and acting accordingly, most investors are going to try to sit this out and might well lose everything in the process.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by rcpt on Saturday May 16, 2020 @12:00PM (#23204512)
Why couldn't he predict it in February?
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by mxschumacher on Saturday May 16, 2020 @01:18PM (#23205274)
If you know more than people managing hundreds of billions of dollars, you should consider getting into finance. Shorting the market before February 19th 2020 was quite brilliant.

I suppose that few people predicted that this crisis would hit America so hard

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by MiroF on Saturday May 16, 2020 @03:28PM (#23206468)
Half of the people managing hundreds of millions of dollars fail to outperform the market once they start managing those hundreds of millions of dollars.
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by mam2 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:56AM (#23232413)
Half of wallstreetbets made milions on shorting the maket on the coronavirus. That was not really so hard and he just fucked up.
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by valuearb on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @10:24AM (#23247136)
Half of Wall Street bets made photoshop money. Few there actually makes the trades they claim.
Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by H8crilA on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:31AM (#23202867)
That really remains to be seen.

Also, I believe BRK has lower risk tolerance than most people think. Listen to the latest annual shareholders meeting, he says that quite explicitly.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by blackrock on Saturday May 16, 2020 @08:34AM (#23202881)
The $5 billion loss is likely pocket change to him.

But he might be onto something. Which means, does he know some insider knowledge that we don’t?

The airlines industry is practically about tourism. Yes, there is business travel, but tourism is an important part of it. But, there is unlikely to be any significant tourism in the years ahead, until some kind of vaccine comes out.

So, does he know about some insider knowledge here. He doesn’t take strategic positions like this on a whim, and he clearly operates on fringe insider knowledge.

Maybe his buddies are telling him, that here will likely never be a vaccine? Now, that is an interesting and possibly tradable thesis. Short the airline companies.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by tc313 on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:00AM (#23203912)
I doubt that he has any special knowledge that provides an edge; nobody knows what the fallout will be from all of this or when/if a vaccine will be developed.

More likely, he’s just thinking about the same facts differently than others. Buffett tends to be quite cautious with regards to potential catastrophic failures, so he’s probably more focused on all of the ways that airlines, banks, etc. might lose a ton of money rather than worrying about missing out on the recovery.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by tankenmate on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:00AM (#23203027)
I would suspect that even after a vaccine comes out travelling of all sorts will be depressed; maybe to the point of permanently moving the needle.

As an analogy, public health experts suggest we should do away with shaking hands in the future. It may well be that social norms such as travelling, shaking hands, etc will permanently change.

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by blackrock on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:08AM (#23203082)
Depressed travelling has some interesting plays here.

This means that AirBnB is dead. And all those people that bought multiple houses, with multiple mortgages, which they can no longer service, are going to go bankrupt. Good riddance.

You can’t short AirBnB, but what other companies can you short? The loan processing companies? Zillow? BofA?

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by mxschumacher on Saturday May 16, 2020 @09:43AM (#23203299)
that the tourist sector is in trouble isn't exactly a secret at this point, so additional shorts seem risky.

Avis Budget, a car rental company, does 2/3 of their rentals at airports and they carry a huge amount of debt. The car rental space is extremely competitive as it is and new ride sharing offers don't make things easier. Hertz is already very close to bankruptcy

Re:Warren Buffett’s Berkshire dumps most of Goldman Sachs stake by tankenmate on Saturday May 16, 2020 @11:38AM (#23204279)
And completing the circle Warren Buffet has a relatively famous saying, "After all, you only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out."[0]

[0] Berkshire Hathaway Chairman's Letter (2001)