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Re:A small restaurant owner on Google, DoorDash, and Grubhub by jiofih on Friday May 15, 2020 @02:07PM (#23195338)
Data says otherwise - plenty of e-commerce sites taking you to search, with the thing you saw just pinned at the top. I hate the pattern but it seems to result in higher engagement.
Re:A small restaurant owner on Google, DoorDash, and Grubhub by majormajor on Friday May 15, 2020 @02:39PM (#23195712)
> Data says otherwise - plenty of e-commerce sites taking you to search, with the thing you saw just pinned at the top. I hate the pattern but it seems to result in higher engagement.

That's extremely different than the thing described here: "take you to a category page with something else entirely pinned at the top."

Re:A small restaurant owner on Google, DoorDash, and Grubhub by uoaei on Friday May 15, 2020 @02:12PM (#23195395)
Folks are slowly noticing that this concept of "engagement" is a shallow, toxic one that encourages poor behavior that generally harms the end user.
Re:A small restaurant owner on Google, DoorDash, and Grubhub by RussianCow on Friday May 15, 2020 @02:23PM (#23195523)
[citation needed]

Maybe tech-savvy folks, or people otherwise paying close attention, but I don't think this describes the vast majority of people by any stretch.

Re:A small restaurant owner on Google, DoorDash, and Grubhub by uoaei on Friday May 15, 2020 @03:00PM (#23196000)
I think the discussion around Facebook and Russia opened a lot of eyes to how ads-based businesses can be exploited, and how the infrastructure they built directly lends to this phenomenon.
Re:A small restaurant owner on Google, DoorDash, and Grubhub by RussianCow on Friday May 15, 2020 @04:37PM (#23197112)
And yet, people still continue to use Facebook/Google/etc en masse. These companies are in the news what seems like every week, but the number of people who have left those platforms is negligible.
Re:A small restaurant owner on Google, DoorDash, and Grubhub by uoaei on Friday May 15, 2020 @06:08PM (#23198088)
Because we are not all using the same brain. Many people have many opinions, and some people even sometimes act counter to their preferences based on the context! Wild stuff.
Re:A small restaurant owner on Google, DoorDash, and Grubhub by RussianCow on Friday May 15, 2020 @06:16PM (#23198162)
Your original comment implies that folks "slowly noticing" dark patterns is going to make some sort of difference in the grand scheme of things. I am arguing, based on my experience with humans, that it will not—and even if it could, that not enough people are paying attention for it to matter.