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Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by roenxi on Friday May 15, 2020 @08:40AM (#23191454)
I doubt this will be my most popular comment on HN but Trump really has to be congratulated for being the first President to actually do something about the growth in strategic strength of the absolutely terrifying regime that currently controls China. I know the Obama administration made some noises but I don't recall them actually inconveniencing China in a serious way.

To me this is all naked geopolitics, hardly fair and extremely risky. But finally America is transitioning to worrying about real problems rather than, say, the policy of treating shepherds in Afghanistan as a major threat in the Bush era.

Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by thawaway1837 on Friday May 15, 2020 @08:56AM (#23191609)
Yes, Trump did something about China.

He got rid of the most effective global efforts to contain China’s growth through the TPP. I know HN hates the TPP because of amorphous claims about IP, but flouting IP norms forms the entire basis of these actions by Trump, and the whole point of TPP’a IP protections (which HN hated, apparently) was to make sure China’s neighbors would not flout IP protections the way China did, giving private companies incentives to move manufacturing and research from China to the neighboring countries instead.

That would have been a broad ranging global effort to ensure China followed rules, that would have cost the US nothing (in fact other countries were making concessions to the US for it), and would not have required 2-3 years of barely legal efforts to contain 1 Chinese company and even there only in the US market, but would have instead affected all Chinese companies, non Chinese companies manufacturing in China, and not just the US market but also eastern Asian and Australasian markets.

So yeah, if by Trump did something you mean he dismantled an effort that would have been more effective by orders of magnitude and cost the US nothing but actually won it more friends in favor of a barely legal effort that is pissing off even allies that are not friendly to China and has taken 3 years to maybe impact 1 Chinese company, then sure.

Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by jraby3 on Friday May 15, 2020 @08:43AM (#23191490)
I agree 100%. Trump has done a ton of terrible things, but he deserves credit for his stance on China.
Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by asdf123wtf on Friday May 15, 2020 @08:57AM (#23191617)
Obama was quietly working on the TPP. It or something like it would probably have been the better strategy to check Chinese power and put us on a path to decouple from them, while boosting friendly allies in their orbit.

Trump pulled out of the deal and decided to do a trade war instead.

Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by LegitShady on Friday May 15, 2020 @09:08AM (#23191714)
The TPP would simply have incentivized more manufacturing to leave the west for other asian countries.

You got a trade war because there was finally a US president willing to risk confrontation like the chinese are, who started calling out chinese practices like dumping steel in canada to kill the US steel industry.

A year ago people said trump was crazy for talking about chinese steel dumped in canada as a national security issue. Then you couldnt get n95 masks and the world realized things run out if you dont produce them and someone else makes them.

The trade war is a positive - the US-China relationship needs redefining. If you look at chinese influence campaings the chinese are well aware of US efforts to deal with orbitting allies and is pushing their own influence. Your ideas would have worked 15 years ago, maybe.

Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by asdf123wtf on Friday May 15, 2020 @09:23AM (#23191851)
> The TPP would simply have incentivized more manufacturing to leave the west for other asian countries.

It would have incentivized manufacturing to leave China, along with a large share of all the western dollars currently feeding the regime.

Trump's strategy doesn't really seem to decouple us from China so much as it seems to invert the relationship.

Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by krapp on Friday May 15, 2020 @08:45AM (#23191507)
>Trump really has to be congratulated for being the first President to actually do something about the growth in strategic strength of the absolutely terrifying regime that currently controls China

He might deserve congratulations if his strategies made sense, but they seem more likely to hurt the US than China in the long run.

Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by corebit on Friday May 15, 2020 @08:54AM (#23191579)
There are no sure things. We don't like the current situation because its risky. But no risk no reward. If we wanted less risk our only option was to have done it way earlier - under Bush 1 or Clinton.
Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by krapp on Friday May 15, 2020 @09:03AM (#23191667)
I'm fine with risks, so long as they're calculated from a position of expertise. I don't trust Trump to take smart risks, given his business history, narcissism and well documented disdain for expert advice. Someone who ignores intelligence briefings because he thinks he's too smart to need them shouldn't be acting like a maverick on the world stage.

Simply doing something, anything, for the sake of having something be done is even worse than the status quo.

Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by dredds on Friday May 15, 2020 @11:17AM (#23193131)
I think this is why ppl (msm) should tune out the "Obamagate" nothing-burger, cos it's potentially less dangerous than anti-asian sentiments given the population demographics in the US. Who's next after; Muslims, Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, Asians??
Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by Mindless2112 on Friday May 15, 2020 @08:56AM (#23191607)
Which is still an improvement over his predecessors who were playing "kick the can".
Re:US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei by mytailorisrich on Friday May 15, 2020 @09:01AM (#23191651)
The problem for the US is that it is difficult to imagine a realistic, and peaceful, scenario in which China does not ultimately become a larger global power than the US.

The actions they are taking are delaying tactics but do not change the fundamentals. In fact, blocking shipments of semiconductors may even hasten the rise of a competing Chinese industry.

I think being #1 is deeply embedded in the American psyche and it is shocking for them to even imagine otherwise (Edit: as we see in these very comments and the reactions...), which is actually a risk for world peace, IMHO.