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Re:Bosque Programming Language by ken on Thursday May 14, 2020 @09:38AM (#23179316)
> I wouldn't consider reference counted GC systems level appropriate. It _can_ be more deterministic, but not when it's tracing and collecting cycles (which a decent modern RC implementation must do)

Swift has what you would call an ‘indecent’ RC design, then, because it doesn’t.

> and it usually plays havoc on L1 cache (by touching counts).

Swift (like Objective-C) can store the refcounts either inline or in supplementary structures, for performance.

> Now if the garbage collection was optional

In the common case, it practically is, as (most) value types will only ever live on the stack, or inline in another data structure.

Re:Bosque Programming Language by cmrdporcupine on Thursday May 14, 2020 @09:40AM (#23179334)
imho inline will still mess with cache somewhat as adding a reference count still often requires bringing something into cache or evicting something from cache that wouldn't happen with a pure pointer reference.

Glad to hear that value types are optimized well.