If you add together UK, Spain, and Italy they have more deaths than the US as a whole.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data

You just went and cherry-picked 3 of the most impacted countries in Europe, not very convincing.

I can just as easily pick 3 of the least and tell you a completely different story.

I am simply stating there are more deaths in Europe than in the US. I can prove that with only 3 countries. Please don't interpret my statement as a comment on each individual country. There seems to be miscommunication here.

Europe also has double the population of the US.

And even you ajust for population you then should also take into account how densely populated, etc. It's hard to make fair comparisons.

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The lack of civility is pretty disappointing. I linked a bunch of data for you, ignore it if you wish.

You picked a handful of countries that fit your argument and called them Europe. Italy, Spain and UK aren't "Europe" just like California, NY and Florida aren't "The United States of America".

> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sort by deaths/1M. You’ll see the US doing better than UK, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, etc.

And in absolute terms, there’s still more cases and deaths in Europe as a whole (I find it funny that when it comes to GDP, we like to think of Europe as “United States of Europe”, but when talking about corona deaths, not so much).

You have to take into account that Europe is much more densely and uniformly populated than the United States, and had outbreaks start earlier than the US.

WRT. "United States of Europe", thanks to the EU, you can often consider the Union as a unit in terms of trade; Europe is also more homogenous culturarly than the states. However, when talking about COVID-19, EU has almost zero influence on how the pandemic is handled (somewhat by design, definitely by vote); it's only meaningful to talk about individual nations, with their own healthcare systems, their own emergency policies, and their own sovereign, locked down borders.

> You have to take into account that Europe is much more densely and uniformly populated than the United States, and had outbreaks start earlier than the US.

Now take into account that these countries have supposedly superior healthcare systems, a healthier population, and leaders not named Trump. I’d say that negates those factors.

Sure, if you cherry-pick a few countries (your list is basically the most impacted countries in Europe).

If you include all European countries you get a different story.

And Europe has roughly double the population of the US, it's not surprising that it has more cases in absolute numbers.

> Sure, if you cherry-pick a few countries (your list is basically the most impacted countries in Europe).

And yet we’re constantly compared against these countries and told they’re doing things “right” and the US is a disaster.

> If you include all European countries you get a different story.

You mean a bunch of Eastern European countries that basically aren’t doing any testing?

> And Europe has roughly double the population of the US, it's not surprising that it has more cases in absolute numbers.

EU 446M versus US 330M...

EU is not Europe.

Why is it so difficult to stick with the same terms and definitions? Just in this thread Europe has been defined in like five different ways, all of which are various subsets, presumably picked to suit each argument as needed.

Those numbers shouldn't be taken at face value and should certainly not be compared. For example, here in Belgium every death at a nursing home is counted as a Corona casualty. Which increases the death by Corona massively in comparison with a country not doing that.

An article that really shows that difference is: https://www.forbes.com/sites/lbsbusinessstrategyreview/2020/...

> For example, here in Belgium every death at a nursing home is counted as a Corona casualty. Which increases the death by Corona massively in comparison with a country not doing that.

New York City recently reclassified 3K+ deaths as “likely” due to Covid, despite none of those people having been tested. And our CDC’s guidelines state that anyone who died WITH Covid is assumed to have died FROM Covid. I would say we’re definitely not being conservative with the reporting here...

I'm not sure who the 'we' is in this context, so I can't address that point.

But my point was that picking a handful of countries and calling them Europe isn't very accurate at all.

I mean, put ALL European countries together and there’s way more deaths in total than the US, and I suspect the deaths/1M figure is very similar if not slightly higher than the US. Slice it however you want, the US is not doing that poorly relative to its peers in Europe.