Re:Janet: a lightweight, expressive and modern Lisp
by phoe-krk on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @08:22AM
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> but they only benefit after you've actually written a program, which is the barrier the potential users are struggling at
No, you miss the point. There is little benefit in interactive and incremental development once a program is written. The very benefit that this such incrementality provides is noticeable during the process of writing the program, not after it; when a program is written, it's written, and from some point it doesn't really matter if you've done it by mutating an image-based programming language or by linking together compiled C objects.
Re:Janet: a lightweight, expressive and modern Lisp
by pjc50 on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @10:09AM
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Programs are never finished. Most work is incremental modification and debugging of existing systems. The "getting started" bit of going from a blank editor to something that starts to be useful is a small part of the process. But it's the very beginning that is a surprisingly hard barrier to cross. The starting to write a program in the first place. Which is where the OP has got stuck. And is dismissed as irrelevant?
> how to efficiently implement a message bus with observers
You say:
> I think that's a badly posed question
But it isn't! It's the specific thing that person is trying to do and is having trouble with, the act of translating structures and designs they understand from other languages into the Lisp language.
This is the barrier to Lisp adoption. You can cite iterative development and live debugging all you want, but they only benefit after you've actually written a program, which is the barrier the potential users are struggling at.