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Re:The most prized degree in India became the most worthless by stubish on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:51AM (#23163584)
Consultants, lawyers, physicians, engineers, architects, designers, board members... lots of occupations with high status and/or pay without managing people. The 'how many people' you manage metric is just a heuristic, and maybe believed by people stuck in the middle of business hierarchies.

Agree on 'Staff' and 'Senior staff'... military terms that never caught on generally. Not sure why they have started being adopted by some companies... I guess in larger companies people want their hierarchy and pay scales and whatnot.

Re:The most prized degree in India became the most worthless by triceratops on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:22AM (#23163722)
I'll go by them in order:

> Consultants

A term so generic as to be almost meaningless. It can apply to an Agile coach, an Ivy League fresh grad billed at $1200/hr by McKinsey et al, or a programmer with an LLC and some marketing skills. These all vary widely in prestige.

> lawyers

Ditto. No one is impressed by a poor ambulance chaser or public defender. Judges, senior partners at big law firms, senior corporate counsel, DAs and attorneys general - those are lawyers people generally respect. And they all have authority over people and laws.

> engineers

Depends on where they work and what they do. Engineer at FAANG or a hotshot startup - that's been glamorized by media and entertainment but that's a relatively recent phenomenon. Engineer at a mid-sized auto parts or chemical company - usually associated with pocket protectors and slide rules, but basically just solid pros that take home a solid paycheck.

> physicians

They don't always hire or fire people but they certainly give orders. To patients, nurses, technicians. Physicians have always been respected, in every society across time.

> architects

Same deal as engineers. Plus on significant projects (like a skyscraper, apartment complex, government building etc) there's probably a team of architects that have one or more managers. Someone with an architect's license working for the city planning office in a non-leadership role? Not especially prestigious.

> designers

Are we talking about fashion designers? They don't manage people? Like literally zero people? That's news to me.[1][2][3]

> board members

They can literally vote to fire the boss of bosses - the CEO. And usually they're appointed on the basis of their achievements in business, law, or the industry.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Klein

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Lauren

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Karan

Re:The most prized degree in India became the most worthless by shrikant on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:51AM (#23164532)
>> Consultants

> A term so generic as to be almost meaningless. It can apply to an Agile coach, an Ivy League fresh grad billed at $1200/hr by McKinsey et al, or a programmer with an LLC and some marketing skills. These all vary widely in prestige.

To add to your point, it is absolutely the case that in places like McKinsey et al., several key measures of the consultants as they make their way up the ladder are directly related to how many people they manage.

Re:The most prized degree in India became the most worthless by JAlexoid on Thursday May 14, 2020 @11:19PM (#23188495)
Consultants - the term has been diluted. But if you say that you're a consultant, people's imagination takes over. There's a reason why so many people are consultants. It's because generally speaking it's a term that projects high value merit.

Layers - people respect lawyers?

Engineers - we generally have very low respectability, among laypeople.