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Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by ravenstine on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:35PM (#23156888)
I'm an ardent supporter of remote work, and I wouldn't go back to non-remote work without a hefty pay raise, but I think I probably would have considered office jobs during my last search if the offices I'd worked in previously had actually been pleasant.

Open office plans, low cubicle walls, cubicle sharing, frequent noise and disrespect of focus, flimsy banged up office chairs and equipment, no budget for standing desks, the lack of real employee lounges and couches to both work and chill out at, strict clocking in and out, and insufficient meeting space are chasing away good employees, especially now that we're all forced to work remotely. More people won't be willing to go back if they can help it.

Notice I mentioned nothing about free snacks, foosball tables, beer on tap, etc. I'd trade all of that for some semblance of serenity in the office.

Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by bproven on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @07:21PM (#23161310)
>Notice I mentioned nothing about free snacks, foosball tables, beer on tap, etc. I'd trade all of that for some semblance of serenity in the office.

Amen

Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by mc3 on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @07:27PM (#23161361)
Free snacks & beer are an anti-perk if you want to maintain a healthy BMI, and a healthy body. Alcohol is a drug with side effects (even if you don't have a hangover), but most people don't think of it that way.
Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by tracker1 on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @07:50PM (#23161582)
It always bugs me that "Free snacks" rarely includes fruit, nuts or other things that aren't processed.
Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by mixmastamyk on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @08:16PM (#23161827)
Yes, almost always corporate carbs, which I like to call carbage.
Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by balnaphone on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:10PM (#23162683)
That's strange. The offices at Bloomberg, Microsoft, Walmart Labs, etc., all had healthy options when I've been there.
Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by tracker1 on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:44PM (#23185925)
Define healthy... For me, fresh fruit, nuts, even low sugar jerky are healthy. Anything with modern wheat and refined carbs tends to be problematic.
Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by serf on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @07:51PM (#23161587)
>Free snacks & beer are an anti-perk if you want to maintain a healthy BMI, and a healthy body.

or it turns into a perk again if you think of it as a way to train yourself against temptation.

This mentality is weird to me.

"employee stock options are an anti-perk if you want to maintain a gambling-free lifestyle."

"airbnb travel stipends are an anti-perk if you want to maintain a body free of traveler's diseases."

"free on-site dry-cleaning is an anti-perk when they lose a button on your jacket."

everything good in life can be viewed from a dark angle, but it gets pretty tiring to do so.

Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by robertcorey on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @08:07PM (#23161739)
false equivalency - there aren't slot machines in the office kitchen.
Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by joncrane on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:50PM (#23157152)
> disrespect of focus

This right here is my beef in a nutshell. My attention should be under my control. For example, I can't believe that leaving audible cell phone notifications on is becoming normalized.

Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by ravenstine on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @02:35PM (#23157825)
Yeah, that's the worst thing for me. Whenever I've brought this issue up to employers, I usually get a blank stare. To me, it's just self evident that I can get more done with fewer distractions, but a lot of people seem unwilling to imagine a workplace without chaos.

Granted, remote work isn't free from distraction. Far from it, in fact. At least I can control the noise level and close Slack and email, if need be.

Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by mjrbrennan on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @07:40PM (#23161481)
Nothing makes me rage more than people who leave audible cell phone notifications and ring tones on in places that are supposed to be quiet (offices, library). It's one of the most selfish and disrespectful things I can think of. Especially if you are getting 20 messages in a row...the phone is right there you don't need the sound!
Re:Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever by booleandilemma on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @09:55PM (#23162578)
The people who I’ve seen leave their ringtones on are usually the most self-centered people I’ve known.