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Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by seibelj on Monday May 11, 2020 @04:25PM (#23146587)
No one puts a gun to anyone's head to use it. There are many stablecoins now, with various properties. USDC trades at the same value as USDT https://www.circle.com/en/usdc

Traders value Bitcoin the same in USDT or USDC, and USDT / USDC trades at parity. That implies the market trusts USDT. It doesn't matter what people on HN say, as long as the market agrees.

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arcticbull on Monday May 11, 2020 @04:29PM (#23146641)
Frankly it's really strange to hear on the one hand:

1. ...that "the feds are debasing our currency through their relentless printing"

It is producing a measured, consistent, relatively small 2% rate of inflation over decades and decades. They are of course acting on behalf of an elected body, and ultimately accountable to that body. They're also audited.

2. ...that Tether's relentless, un-audited, 70%-at-most backed printing is fine because the "market trusts it" and "nobody's forcing you to use it."

The market trusts it because number go up, and it's in the interest of exactly zero market participants to show the world the emperor has no clothes.

It's also not fair to say that "nobody's forced to use it" when everyone is forced to use it. In 2018, 80% of all crypto exchange transactions were conducted in Tether. That makes USD transactions by far the minority. Since arbitrage bots keep the prices in sync, and the majority is USDT, even the USD exchanges follow the USDT prices so long as there exists sufficient liquidity to balance the books. [1]

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mystery-behind-tether-the-c...

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by kyuudou on Monday May 11, 2020 @06:10PM (#23147723)
>They are of course acting on behalf of an elected body, and ultimately accountable to that body.

That body being whom?

>They're also audited.

By whom?

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arcticbull on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:23PM (#23149565)
> By whom?

All of this information you can obtain via quick google.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_12784.htm

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by kyuudou on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:17AM (#23154890)
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arcticbull on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:49PM (#23157142)
Accountability doesn't mean never doing anything wrong, or even lying. What it means is that they can be held to account. I'm not saying they did or didn't, I watched your video, but nothing in your video changes anything I said at all.
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @09:34AM (#23153798)
> Government Accountability Office

Doesn't that auditor owe FRS $17T?

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arcticbull on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:52PM (#23157197)
No?
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arcticbull on Monday May 11, 2020 @06:31PM (#23147923)
The Fed determines monetary policy. The president of the United States appoints the Fed board. Ergo the fed is accountable to the people of the United States. [1]

[1] https://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/fedpoint/fed46.html

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by jkhdigital on Monday May 11, 2020 @07:32PM (#23148643)
But don’t you want to know how the sausage is made? If you truly buy into the “stable, consistent 2% inflation” story then you are eating a very, very large sausage.
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arcticbull on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:32PM (#23149228)
The whole point of inflation is to disincentivize people from holding money in the first place. Money only has value when it moves, not when it's stuffed under a mattress. I really think we need to bring back mandatory economics classes in high school.

The idea is that you use it to invest: into real estate, into equities, into bonds, heck even a savings account collateralizes mortgages. Yes, even your magic beans represent the system working. The system is designed to encourage the continued survival of the most economically fit companies, etc, by your picking winners.

Don't hold money. Certainly not more than you need in the event of an emergency.

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by jkhdigital on Monday May 11, 2020 @11:21PM (#23150280)
Guess what? Someone, somewhere, is holding every dollar in existence. Someone has to hold it. They don’t just vanish after being used in a transaction. Saying “don’t hold money” tells me everything I need to know about your understanding of economics.
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arcticbull on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @12:20AM (#23150560)
> Someone, somewhere, is holding every dollar in existence. Someone has to hold it.

Yes, for very short periods of time, ideally. To the extent that remains true the effect of inflation is smoothed out. As at each stage in the transaction chain prices can adjust pricing to reflect inflation. Think of it like a continuously variable transmission. Yes, it has gears. But the effect is basically smoothed out if you do it quickly enough.

> Saying “don’t hold money” tells me everything I need to know about your understanding of economics.

It clearly doesn't.

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by kyuudou on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:52PM (#23157201)
No, arcticbull is right in this regard. The way Keynesian economics and encouraging the velocity of money works is that it discourages hoarding and encourages the speed at which money passes hands in an economy. It's great for the banks and rentier class but it's crappy for laborers and savers.

In such an environment you want to get rid of your USD as fast as possible and turn them into something you value, whether it be land or whatever. The money itself is by design an inflationary currency. Most people don't understand this, which is just fine with the people who print the money and the ones who distribute and loan it out.

Now, having lots of liquid cash AKA liquidity is a good thing as long as you get rid of it soon by putting it in assets. Lots of people gladly go into debt taking out loans to buy productive assets and declare bankruptcy multiple times playing this kind of game. It's kind of insane in a way.

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by jkhdigital on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @06:37PM (#23160938)
This is dimwit CNN talking head economics. Go read what Keynes (and Mises) actually wrote instead of regurgitating an undergraduate economics textbook.
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @09:43AM (#23153875)
When money move, it doesn't matter how much the exchange rate fluctuates over 3 years, does it?
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by csomar on Monday May 11, 2020 @04:54PM (#23146950)
I'm not sure what is that you are missing? Many exchanges now offer a set of Stable coins. If you had concerns with USDT then you should switch to USDC which so far functions the same as USDT. I did. Many people probably also did. USDT still holds its peg and did hold its peg through some bad price swings. So either it's fully backed or they are doing some magic there.

> The market trusts it because number go up, and it's in the interest of exactly zero market participants to show the world the emperor has no clothes.

Wouldn't work on extreme market fluctuations. Bitcoin dropped 50% and USDT still hold the peg. Bitcoin then almost tripled in a short period and USDT still hold the peg. I'm not sure if they have full reserves or running some magic; but whatever they are doing is working very well.

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arcticbull on Monday May 11, 2020 @05:04PM (#23147056)
> I'm not sure if they have full reserves or running some magic; but whatever they are doing is working very well.

We know they don't have full reserves because we know 30% of them were seized. [1]

> ...but whatever they are doing is working very well.

Frauds work until they don't.

[1] https://cointelegraph.com/news/head-of-crypto-capital-arrest...

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by mtrower on Friday May 15, 2020 @05:23PM (#23197616)
>>> We know they don't have full reserves because we know 30% of them were seized. [1]

You suspect they don't have full reserves because you know 30% of them were seized. Presuming "full reserves" means 1:1 backing (what else could it mean, here?), your statement assumes they had exactly 1:1 reserves before the seizure. If they had more than that, your assumption could end up false.

So sure, you suspect. From what I've read in this thread, I tend to agree. But I fail to see how you know.

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @09:57AM (#23154026)
Better call it economics. Not like there's difference, but economics is better for PR.
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arcticbull on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:54PM (#23157234)
No, there's a big difference lol, the economy is managed and administered at the will of the people to benefit the people. This fraud is being administered by a shady cabal in the BVI with offices in Hong Kong to the benefit of themselves.
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by javert on Monday May 11, 2020 @05:24PM (#23147272)
> I'm not sure if they have full reserves or running some magic

Presumably they buy tether when it's under $1 and sell it when it's over $1 to maintain the peg. Not magic.

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by wpietri on Monday May 11, 2020 @04:48PM (#23146879)
> It doesn't matter what people on HN say, as long as the market agrees.

"It doesn't matter what those crazy geologists say, as long volcano hasn't exploded yet."

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by occamsrazorwit on Monday May 11, 2020 @05:11PM (#23147121)
> It doesn't matter what people on HN say, as long as the market agrees.

The market can never overvalue or undervalue? Hmm...

Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:05AM (#23154088)
If there was an objective way to assign value, wouldn't it make speculation impossible?
Re:Bitcoin Halving Just Occured by arthurcolle on Monday May 11, 2020 @04:34PM (#23146697)
Agreed - some find it useful to have this instrument in order to move dollars to crypto, so it's really no worse than the fiat currencies that we are forced to use, and that many are deciding to move away from.

It is a fact that at present, you can't replace your entire life with cryptocurrency transactions, but the actions of the Federal Reserve over the last few months demonstrate how useful it is to have a parallel construct that actually represents an asset that isn't immediately able to be transmogrified by actions of a shadowy cabal (JPow in particular, who with his 50mm nest egg stuck in a hole at BlackRock, has a direct incentive to keep markets afloat)

Just my $0.02