Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit
by wpietri on Sunday May 10, 2020 @08:31PM
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I think a person genuinely trying to give advice doesn't act the way Damore did.
But let's say you're right, that his very best effort to collaborate with his colleagues was a divisive attack on their politics. That his very best effort to collaborate involved sticking to his guns to the point it was causing a major internal problem, and then a notable external one. In which case, he's so uniquely bad at collaboration that I don't think they could do anything other than fire him.
But personally, I don't think Damore was almost uniquely incompetent.
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit
by ALittleLight on Sunday May 10, 2020 @09:09PM
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Damore's memo was not a "divisive attack on their politics". On the other hand, lying about his memo to describe it that way does seem like a divisive attack.
I don't think you're being honest or fair here and don't see the benefit of continuing a conversation with you.
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit
by wpietri on Sunday May 10, 2020 @11:52PM
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The go link was "pc-considered-harmful". I think Damore clearly understood that what he was doing was political. And starting from "PC", a right-wing caricature of left-wing positions, could not be anything other than divisive. If you'd like to argue that was somehow all accidental, that he was just incredibly bad a communication, feel free.
I'm being perfectly honest, and I'm doing my best to be fair. If you don't like that, well, I did my best.
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit
by rbanffy on Monday May 11, 2020 @04:45AM
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I strongly object with characterizing being inclusive and mindful of how your speech affects others as a "left-wing positions". It's basic politeness.
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit
by wpietri on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:37AM
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I certainly would think so. But nonetheless, the US right has been attacking the US left for that for decades. As long as the politeness is being applied to historically disfavored groups, anyhow.
Your objection is that saying "Google" did each of those things "hides relevant details". I disagree given that I've explicitly stated those details in this thread. Taking a single sentence and complaining it lacks details which are readily available in the wider context seems like splitting hairs.
Your point about "what fits better with Damore's text and behavior" may be your opinion. I don't share it though based on Damore's text clearly offering suggestions to improve diversity and different ways to think about it. To me, it seems much more likely Damore interpreted the Google diversity people as being honest actors and gave his honest feedback.
Your final point about how Damore should've known he would be fired is true, and I agree he should've realized Google is not an honest actor and doesn't want genuine feedback. That's kind of beside my broader point though, which is to highlight Google's lack of integrity in this instance. Damore was naive and trusted Google, he should've known not to. We agree there.
Setting that point aside, do you think if Damore was genuinely trying to give advice, and I know you don't think that, that he should've been fired for it?