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Re:Getting Back to Work by mdorazio on Sunday May 10, 2020 @12:13PM (#23133713)
Serious question: can you show me the metrics for california with concrete targets that will trigger reopening? The last plan I saw wasn't a plan at all, it was just guidelines.
Re:Getting Back to Work by joshuamorton on Sunday May 10, 2020 @02:04PM (#23134620)
Targets for early reopening (ie before the state at large):

- 1.5 tests per 1000 people per day - No deaths in the past 14 days - Some max number of cases per day that's really low - Stockpile of PPE (I forget the exact numbers) - A minimum number of contact tracers (I think also 1.5 per 1000 people, although it may be an order of magnitude lower)

The bay area has a more stringent set of guidelines (minus the number of deaths that another person linked to).

Re:Getting Back to Work by marcinzm on Sunday May 10, 2020 @01:17PM (#23134251)
I don't see the difference between plan and guidelines from any practical point of view.

There is a statewide timeline and counties can open slower/faster. There's a list of criteria for counties to consider. This is a slide deck summarizing things at a state level, it notes a variety of metrics that are being looked at:

https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Update-on-...

Re:Getting Back to Work by mdorazio on Sunday May 10, 2020 @02:53PM (#23135035)
Here's a plan: when we get to X new cases per day, we will reopen. Here's a guideline: we'll reopen when we think it's safe. The former has concrete goals that you can measure against and take action on. The latter has no clarity whatsoever. If I presented a project plan the way California has presented its Covid reopening "plans" I would be fired.
Re:Getting Back to Work by marcinzm on Sunday May 10, 2020 @05:42PM (#23136506)
Except "the population feeling safe" is the only metric that really matters. Everything else is a proxy. If the population doesn't feel safe then they will protest and not resume activities. The other metrics can be golden but if the population disagree you will have trouble in a democracy.
Re:Getting Back to Work by cozzyd on Sunday May 10, 2020 @01:44PM (#23134463)
At least in Illinois, opening targets are based on agent-based simulations of disease spread. Specifically, the simulations predicted that if Illinois had reopened on May 1, we would have seen a larger peak than the initial one in June. You can read about it here: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg-hinz-politics/look-insi...
Re:Getting Back to Work by pm90 on Sunday May 10, 2020 @01:56PM (#23134564)
For California, see SF Chronicles' COVID Tracker page: https://projects.sfchronicle.com/2020/coronavirus-map/.

It even has a checklist with the targets that must be met before a county can lift quarantine.

Re:Getting Back to Work by mdorazio on Sunday May 10, 2020 @03:08PM (#23135185)
Thanks, it's really confusing because there are multiple conflicting sources with different guidelines and the governor's statements have indicated Phase 2 is still case-by-case and phases 3 and 4 are "sometime soonish". In addition to the metrics that SF Chronicle page is tracking for Bay Area counties, there's also [1], [2], and [3] in addition to the original governor's slides a few weeks ago. I can't find any concrete goals from official sources for completely reopening the state (phase 4).

[1] https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Here-s-a-checkl...

[2] https://apnews.com/2c69fe294f73a1120c2dad4a738966e3

[3] https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/5.4-Report...