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Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by mseepgood on Sunday May 10, 2020 @06:38AM (#23131617)
First we should turn the Sahara into a lush green forest as an exercise. Terraforming a remote planet will be a million times more difficult.

Oh, wait, we can't even work together as humanity to contain a virus.

Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by chris_va on Sunday May 10, 2020 @11:35AM (#23133426)
(disclaimer: I work in a climate group)

Please do not do this :).

Deserts are great for shedding heat into space (highly reflective in the visible, highly emissive in the infrared, low moisture in the atmosphere).

We had a theory (not yet published, so take it with a grain of salt) that desertification might buffer the radiative forcing effects of CO2. Unfortunately, when we analyzed the last 20 years of satellite data, the opposite is happening--people have been watering the desert like crazy, leading to a net reduction on the order of ~100-200,000km^2.

Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by thysultan on Sunday May 10, 2020 @06:54AM (#23131670)
Better to experiment off earth than on it in such planet changing endeavors. You can afford less attention to (safety)detail in that scenario.
Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by funnybeam on Sunday May 10, 2020 @07:15AM (#23131767)
Or maybe not. Turning the Sahara into a forest would have a massive climate impact.

I am not a climate scientist but I’d imagine there would be significant changes to rainfall patterns over most of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East

Edit - sorry, reply was meant to be to parent

Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by ptsneves on Sunday May 10, 2020 @07:33AM (#23131849)
There is a nice article about some paper modeling the climate if all the Sahara was covered with solar panels and wind turbines.The temperature on the Sahara would actually increase on average.rain would also

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/09/carpeting-sahara-wit...

Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by pinkfoot on Sunday May 10, 2020 @07:17AM (#23131776)
A fair amount of the phosphorus in the Amazon comes from dust storms originating in the Sahara.

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nasa-satellite-reveals-...

Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by arcadeparade on Sunday May 10, 2020 @08:57AM (#23132257)
given that the Sahara is only a couple thousand years old does that mean the amazon is just as young?
Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by macintux on Sunday May 10, 2020 @10:41AM (#23132961)
An interesting article on how people shaped the Amazon.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/its-now-...

Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by thaumasiotes on Sunday May 10, 2020 @09:56PM (#23138163)
The Amazon is much younger; much of what is jungle today wasn't before the Columbian Exchange.

There is a theory that American reforestation was responsible for the Little Ice Age.

Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by pinkfoot on Sunday May 10, 2020 @09:42AM (#23132503)
Very good question.
Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by russler23 on Sunday May 10, 2020 @07:10AM (#23131738)
Potentially habitable planets close enough to colonize are rare enough that we can’t afford mistakes either way.
Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by mLuby on Sunday May 10, 2020 @10:23AM (#23132785)
There's a theory that the Sahara alternates between desert and green every X thousand years, dramatically altering the Mediterranean, European, and African climates.

And BTW our species is conducting its largest peaceful "mobilization" ever to deal with this virus; it's actually quite inspiring.

Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by thaumasiotes on Sunday May 10, 2020 @09:59PM (#23138180)
> a theory that the Sahara alternates between desert and green every X thousand years, dramatically altering the Mediterranean, European, and African climates.

This is a funny way to phrase the causation. The state of the Sahara is surely not exogenous -- the transition must be caused by the climate. (It can then contribute further, but why attribute the changes to an intermediary effect?)

Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by itronitron on Sunday May 10, 2020 @08:08AM (#23132025)
fewer dissenting voices to deal with on another planet, for the time being
Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by ben_w on Sunday May 10, 2020 @08:18AM (#23132063)
If you have the industrial capacity to handle metallic lead precipitation and strip away 92 times as much atmosphere as the total on planet Earth, dissenting voices are of less relevance than the contents of your spam folder.
Re:How Long Was Venus Habitable? by garmaine on Sunday May 10, 2020 @08:01AM (#23131993)
Those are not exclusive options.