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Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by api on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:06PM (#23120493)
The lesson learned would be "don't do new things, and don't believe in anyone who suggests that you do new things." That's not a positive lesson.

The other lesson could be "maybe we shouldn't rely on one person's charisma to drive us to do new and interesting things," but that's not likely to be the lesson learned.

Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by Alupis on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:11PM (#23120534)
I'd think it's the second lesson that will be learned.

Musk has been on the verge of failure for years, and cracks are showing now more than ever before.

I'd hate for everyone to stop dreaming for tomorrow just because one guy couldn't pull off everything imaginable.

For all the good things Musk does, he also does a lot of bad things. Including but not limited to dreaming up absurd fantasies to "reinvent" industries he has literally zero experience in (aviation comes to mind, drilling tunnels, underwater rescue, etc) - and everyone fixates on that imaginary solution because he said it.

Not to mention taking credit for all the hard work the actual aerospace, mechanical and other engineers are doing under Musk. Very seldom do you hear Musk talk about how incredible the team is and how lucky he is to have them working on these problems. No, instead he has the gall to call himself Lead Designer this, or Chief Architect that. We all know he's not sitting down and crunching math to design rockets and cars and more.

Look at Hyperloop. People are still wasting money, energy and resources on it, regardless that what we have in testing today are just Maglev trains in tubes... a far cry from what Musk originally dreamt up. Nevermind how impractical or prohibitively expensive and uneconomical it would be to build trains across the US, oceans, across the world all connected.

People want to dream. Fine. But trusting all of the future to just one guy... I'm not so sure.

Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by kiba on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:41PM (#23120735)
Not to mention taking credit for all the hard work the actual aerospace, mechanical and other engineers are doing under Musk. Very seldom do you hear Musk talk about how incredible the team is and how lucky he is to have them working on these problems.

He constantly praise or give credit to his teams, even full credit where it is due.

No, instead he has the gall to call himself Lead Designer this, or Chief Architect that. We all know he's not sitting down and crunching math to design rockets and cars and more.

Yes? All the bucks stop with him. He makes engineering decisions, bad or good. It doesn't matter if he doesn't have the relevant degree or did the calculation on a particular project.

Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by TechBro8615 on Friday May 08, 2020 @08:11PM (#23120914)
> But trusting all of the future to just one guy

Part of the problem is not trusting the future to one guy, but rather that there is hardly more than one guy to trust it to. Where are the other Elon Musks? We need more people like him, not less.

Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by api on Friday May 08, 2020 @08:30PM (#23121044)
Oh yeah. I've been on about that for years. If extreme wealth or political power were a meritocracy most billionaires and high-ranking political officials would be similarly productive and competent and he'd be average for his socioeconomic class. There should be hundreds and hundreds of Elon Musks at least.
Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by gpm on Friday May 08, 2020 @08:44PM (#23121114)
> There should be hundreds and hundreds of Elon Musks at least.

I'm not sure I agree.

I like Elon Musk (a whole lot more than most people) - but every Elon Musk consumes a lot of societies resources. He's spending 10s or 100s of billions of dollars worth of resource on (literal) moonshots. A hundred of him would raise that to trillions to 10s of trillions of dollars.

I think we can afford the former as a society (and that it benefits us). I'm not sure we an afford the latter. Worse, we become less efficient at is when there are more of him because we start running out of talented and driven engineers.

Maybe 10s would be a good order of magnitude.

Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by api on Friday May 08, 2020 @10:16PM (#23121615)
I think you are underestimating how much we waste. The resources are consumed regardless.
Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by playeren on Saturday May 09, 2020 @03:41AM (#23122972)
Maybe it is the other way around; we can't afford _not_ to spend 10s of trillions on moonshots. Depends on how sustainable one thinks the status quo is, and the risk timeframe for potential consequenses.
Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by gpm on Saturday May 09, 2020 @07:50AM (#23123964)
It also depends on how much you think you increase the risk by disrupting the status quo, and how much you think extracting 10s of trillions would disrupt the status quo.
Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by mcot2 on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:33PM (#23120687)
Theres a lot of B.S. in your post but I just wanted to point out that Elon constantly praises the Tesla and SpaceX teams on Twitter, Quarterly conference calls, Podcasts and in other investor presentations.

There is for sure a cult of personality like there was for Steve Jobs.

Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by omgwtfbyobbq on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:43PM (#23120750)
What cracks are showing more than ever before?
Re:Elon Musk, Tech’s Cash-Poor Billionaire by ilrwbwrkhv on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:52PM (#23120800)
I honestly know a lot of scientists who get really upset because Elon shows you don't need a degree to do any of that.