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Re:Sure, the Velociraptors Are Still on the Loose, but We Ca... by krapp on Thursday May 07, 2020 @04:14PM (#23107708)
>They who give up essential liberty for the illusion of security end up with and deserve neither liberty nor security.

You should realize the original quote was given by a statist, Benjamin Franklin, acting on behalf of the state, in defense of the value of state power[0].

>We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

From the inaugural address of FDR[1], also a statist, who would go on to limit personal liberty and expand government power and authority in many ways.

[0]https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famou...

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_only_thing_we_have_to_fear...

Re:Sure, the Velociraptors Are Still on the Loose, but We Ca... by jokit on Thursday May 07, 2020 @04:56PM (#23108221)
Which is one of the reasons I don't quote Ben Franklin, who had some points despite his Statist faith.

Let's not get caught up with logical fallacies. Points stand on their own merit, despite how some misuse them.