Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by exhilaration on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:22PM
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Per the article, this is based on an analysis of 1,200 searches done on their platform. It seems like a stretch to use those figures to reach conclusions for a city of over 800,000 residents.
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Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by einpoklum on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:41PM
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But they are making a year-on-year relative analysis, so even for a non-representative sample, you can identify a strong trend.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by iamryo on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @04:35PM
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The trend is still just searches. Do their historical search numbers closely represent actual figures for people coming and going?
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by dllthomas on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @03:58PM
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Maybe it's a demographic shift between people who don't use their platform and those who do.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by hellisothers on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @12:53AM
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Or that people moving into the city/state are paying moving services while those leaving are DIY moving.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by myspider on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:34PM
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Not to be cynical, but this strikes me as more of a ad - or click bait. Search numbers on a website that I, at least, have never heard of is pretty poor evidence for a trend.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by _jal on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:26PM
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The traditional signal is when U-Haul starts having logistics problems getting trucks back to the City.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by TYPE_FASTER on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @03:45PM
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UHaul publishes top growth cities and states based on their data. Here's the list of top growth states for 2019: https://www.uhaul.com/Articles/About/19965/U-Haul-Names-Top-...
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by kube-system on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:33PM
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There is nothing wrong with that sample size. That should give less than a 3% margin of error at 95% confidence.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by dllthomas on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @03:59PM
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If it were uniform.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by nikhilsimha on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:32PM
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Some stats from https://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm
Plugged in 800,000 as pop size, and 99% as confidence level and 4 as confidence interval.
The number it spits out is 1039
It is a pretty good sample size.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by notafraudster on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:41PM
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This would be true if the website drew a random sample of residents of San Francisco and asked them. They didn't. Rather, they drew a census of their website. No one is doubting that the website has correctly confirmed that 90% of the SF-related searches on their website were people looking to migrate outbound (so the "sampling error" here is effectively 0, unless we choose to model the census as a sample from a meta-population, in which case the classical MOE would be +-1.7% without a finite sample adjustment);
The issue here is whether we can draw a reasonable inference from that sample to the target population (all people in San Francisco). My guess is it does not. The title is not justified by the data presented.
The claims we're able to make are narrow:
A combination of annual secular growth, advertising spend, and COVID that we cannot disentangle suggests 30% increase in move requests to this moving site in the area; Separately, the sample of people using this website are more interested than outbound moves than last year.
If we want to combine these, we have "Website Shows 90% growth in raw outbound move searches among SF visitors"
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by tqi on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:34PM
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That only holds true if you assume this sample is representative of the overall population of SF.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by beambot on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:28PM
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The outbound relocation effect went from 57% to 90%. I suspect that 1200 samples is more than enough to demonstrate strong statistical confidence intervals. (Though I haven't run the numbers.)
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by pmiller2 on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:31PM
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They are if they're a representative sample. Margin of error is bounded by 1/sqrt(n) in that case.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by notafraudster on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:47PM
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That MOE would be extremely conservative given that the proportion of interest is far from p=0.5; the classical MOE would be +- 1.96 * sqrt(0.9 * 0.1 / 1200) = +- 1.697% -- but of course it's not a representative sample as you mention.
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by thrownaway954 on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:25PM
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came hear to say the same thing. the submitter should not have used a over exaggerated title. 1200 people is not an "Unprecedented Rate".
Re:San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate
by kube-system on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:33PM
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90% is the rate. 1200 is the sample size.