A look at modern PHP

Re:A look at modern PHP by unexaminedlife on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @11:06AM (#23080792)

I've done plenty of PHP programming (including modern) in the past. I'm excited about recent developments.

Not sure about the productivity claim. I once wrote from scratch (frameworks excluded) backend and frontend (version 1) of a multi-tenant, cloud-based video-sharing platform with PHP as the backend (aws cloud) in a matter of weeks.

I once wrote, from scratch (frameworks excluded), an entire backend (and front-end) of version 1 of a hybrid mobile app (backend in PHP) for a medium-size logistics company in a matter of less than 2 months.

I have other examples, but life is too short trying to convince "haters" that they might not be 100% correct.

I was the only developer on both of those projects. Your mileage may vary :)

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Re:A look at modern PHP by evilduck on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @11:31AM (#23081104)

Can you attribute that specifically to PHP making that possible? Why couldn't an equivalently capable peer use Python to do the same?

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Re:A look at modern PHP by loic-sharma on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @01:38PM (#23082601)

PHP has excellent development experience. After updating your code, you can just reload the page. That's it. It's seamless. This is something that I sorely miss now that I'm a .NET developer.

Also, the PHP ecosystem is friendly to beginners. Compare these authentication docs for a PHP project vs a .NET project:

Laravel (PHP): https://laravel.com/docs/7.x/authentication ASP.NET Core (.NET): https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/security/authen...

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Re:A look at modern PHP by AsyncAwait on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:36PM (#23083231)

> After updating your code, you can just reload the page. That's it. It's seamless.

This is available with many other languages as well, i.e. https://github.com/cosmtrek/air

It may require an external tool, but the deployment experience is a lot simpler for Go than PHP.

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Re:A look at modern PHP by unexaminedlife on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @06:03PM (#23085620)

I think in all the critical pain points all relatively popular languages used for web development have a well thought out story. I think there's nothing about the "pipeline" that's a huge bottleneck for a well-seasoned developer anymore. At least there shouldn't be. It's more about (a) getting things spec'd out well, and (b) execution.

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Re:A look at modern PHP by unexaminedlife on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @11:44AM (#23081259)

So the claim was that PHP "gotchas" are a drain on productivity. I'm not trying to compare with other languages, but I think my anecdata shows that, at least in my case, when you understand the tools PHP can be a very productive one.

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Re:A look at modern PHP by trey-jones on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @12:58PM (#23082132)

Certainly gotchas are a drain on productivity. But I don't think this applies more to PHP than any other language I've used. The fact is, if you are less familiar with the language then you won't be as productive.

I personally spend a lot of time hopping among technologies and I always lean heavily on documentation. PHP has pretty good documentation, and this helps a lot in my opinion. I would guess that a lot of developers don't read the docs and just assume that something in a less-familiar language will work exactly like they expect it to, and then call this a "gotcha" when it doesn't.

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Re:A look at modern PHP by wolco on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @12:52PM (#23082059)

Why is php development quicker?

Because of spaces vs tabs additional overhead. Packages vs built-in libruaries. RAD frameworks like laravel vs Django.

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