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Re:Best CPUs for Workstations by pdimitar on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @08:27AM (#23079243)
For those prices my iMac Pro definitely performs better. And it's somewhat overpriced, too.

Nobody will consider an alternative platform until it becomes affordable.

Re:Best CPUs for Workstations by dragontamer on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @01:15PM (#23082342)
Not really. iMac Pro is Intel chips, and there's pretty much no Intel chip that beats AMD on price/performance.

Intel's main selling point is AVX512 support, which is a niche but it does provide benefits in some workloads. AMD's "more cores" approach is probably superior in most applications however. (It gets complicated: AVX512 uses more power, causing frequency drops. But SIMD-parallelism is innately more power-efficient than more cores... it depends on how much your computer uses AVX512, how sensitive it is to frequency slowdowns... etc. etc)

Re:Best CPUs for Workstations by pdimitar on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @01:21PM (#23082399)
> Not really. iMac Pro is Intel chips, and there's pretty much no Intel chip that beats AMD on price/performance.

Well, now this is the case, yes. Wasn't when I bought the iMac Pro. It's a very respectable machine and it has the same drawbacks as the Threadripper -- only 4 channels of memory (with 10c/20t CPU).

> Intel's main selling point is AVX512 support, which is a niche but it does provide benefits in some workloads. AMD's "more cores" approach is probably superior in most applications however. (It gets complicated: AVX512 uses more power, causing frequency drops. But SIMD-parallelism is innately more power-efficient than more cores... it depends on how much your computer uses AVX512, how sensitive it is to frequency slowdowns... etc. etc)

Heard about that, it's quite embarrassing for Intel. As for SIMD itself, it's a sad story. Most, if not 99%, of the compilers out there don't utilise it. Makes me want to contribute to a compiler but I can't seem to find such a job, especially having never done it before.

Re:Best CPUs for Workstations by glram on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @03:02PM (#23083540)
This is quite a disappointment indeed. Turns out that compilers only use like 10% of the instructions in x86. While there are some efforts to fix this (at least for SIMD) with better heuristics, I fear that the best way to solve this might be to go with simpler ISAs and drive up the clock speed.
Re:Best CPUs for Workstations by pdimitar on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @03:29PM (#23083859)
Absolutely. I feel that all the ~7.7k opcodes for x86_64 aren't helping things at all.

I had high hopes for RISC-V but I already heard the usual BS about "extensions that vendors may choose to implement or not" and I kind of lost hope. :(