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Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by klmadfejno on Monday May 04, 2020 @07:35PM (#23074645)
In case anyone is thinking similarly, remember that vulnerable people (old people)'s social networks are mostly other vulnerable people. Even if herd immunity was "achieved" in the younger cohort, the old would be at basically the same level of risk because if one old person gets infected, it'll spread through the unprotected social network quite easily. You need it to be well mixed to be effective.

That all being said, if theories of initial viral loads making a difference are true, it's not that crazy to imagine individuals choosing to self infect with a very small initial viral load so they can just stop needing to tip toe around life with the concern that they infect others, while continuing to isolate on their own. If I lived alone I'd be tempted.

Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by ashtonkem on Monday May 04, 2020 @09:25PM (#23075393)
You need to balance not jut your chance of death, which is low if you’re very young, but your chances of getting very very sick. Spending a few weeks in the ICU is a good way to bankrupt yourself on the path towards returning to regular work, let alone how hard a ventilator is on even survivors.

Plus, we have no idea what happens to the infected a few years or a decade from now. If given the choice, not getting sick at all is the best possible outcome.

Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by notRobot on Monday May 04, 2020 @10:13PM (#23075660)
> Spending a few weeks in the ICU is a good way to bankrupt yourself

Only in the US :|

Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by lucioperca on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @03:19AM (#23077374)
LOL yes, only in the US your worst fear about spending a few weeks in a ICU are the bankrupting costs.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by klmadfejno on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:08PM (#23082908)
I don't know why you would think the risk of death is dependent on age but the risk of severe illness is not. Age affects both. You're highly unlikely to get put in an ICU if you're young. It would be pretty improbable for a disease like this to have long term consequences unless you start going hypoxic and have organ damage. not impossible, but probably a low concern.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by steveeq1 on Monday May 04, 2020 @10:40PM (#23075832)
> Spending a few weeks in the ICU is a good way to bankrupt yourself on the path towards returning to regular work, let alone how hard a ventilator is on even survivors.

Ok, I'm willing to consider devil's argument, but this is just plain ridiculuous. The great bulk of infected people classsify this as "mild". If you're young, strong, and healthy, your chances of dying from this are basically zero in any common sense way. And far more people are going to "get bankrupt on the way to work" as you say using the current method. We're not trying to find a perfect solution, we are trying to find the better one.

Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by mullingitover on Monday May 04, 2020 @10:47PM (#23075875)
> If you're young, strong, and healthy, your chances of dying from this are basically zero in any common sense way

There are zero longitudinal studies about the long-term effects of infection. For all we know, young healthy people could appear to beat the virus, only for it to hide out and plague you with severe health problems down the road. We could have an massive epidemic of a neurodegenerative disease caused by Covid-19 twenty years from now.

I have no desire to roll the dice on that even if the odds look good for me at the moment.

Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by steveeq1 on Monday May 04, 2020 @10:55PM (#23075938)
Oh come on, you can say that for any flu epidemic.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by mullingitover on Monday May 04, 2020 @11:05PM (#23076010)
Yes you can[1], which is exactly why you don't really want to roll the dice even if you appear okay after the initial infection.

[1] https://epmonthly.com/article/neuropsych-complications-flu-v...

Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by steveeq1 on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @12:34AM (#23076529)
But you "roll the dice" with every flu epidemic.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by throwphoton on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @01:01AM (#23076686)
The flu doesn't generally involve rolling the dice so quickly that morgues run out of space.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by steveeq1 on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @01:28AM (#23076815)
"Man shot 9 times die of corona virus." I question how these numbers are calculated sometimes.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by ashtonkem on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @10:47AM (#23080573)
That sounds like you’re starting to talk about a conspiracy theory.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by steveeq1 on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @11:58AM (#23081444)
The "conspiracy" theory is the news often exaggerates or gives misinformation on a particular subject to fulfill a particular agenda or make more money on ads.

This is hardly a conspiracy theory.

Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by mullingitover on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @06:31PM (#23085900)
The media isn't the only group with an agenda[1].

[1] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/coron...

Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @10:13AM (#23080190)
"Mild" COVID-19 means you're bedridden with fever and breathing problems for a week.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by klmadfejno on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @02:05PM (#23082874)
Please don't make things up. A mild case is mild. Bedridden with fever for weeks is not mild.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/13/8146910...

> In 80% of known cases, COVID-19 causes mild to moderate illness, according to a report of a joint World Health Organization-China mission of 25 infectious disease experts held in China late last month.

> At a press conference on March 9, Maria Van Kerkhove, technical lead of the WHO Health Emergencies Program, said: "[A] mild infection starts normally with a fever, although it may take a couple of days to get a fever. You will have some respiratory symptoms; you have some aches and pains. You'll have a dry cough. This is what the majority of individuals will have."

> It is "nothing that will make you feel like you need to run to a hospital," says Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

> A mild case of COVID-19 in and of itself is not dangerous.

Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @04:39PM (#23084776)
The best I can say for myself here is that I was sincerely misinformed. I apologize, and will make sure I don't repost the misinformation.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by steveeq1 on Monday May 04, 2020 @10:33PM (#23075784)
Yeah, let herd immunity kick in so it's harder for the virus to spread and then STRICTLY quarantine the old. As in much stricter than what they have now. I realize that's not great for grandma, but at some point, society has to make a reasonable tradeoff. If you're young, strong and healthy, your probability of dying from it is basically a rounding error.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by pohl on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @07:33AM (#23078880)
We don’t even know if individuals can acquire immunity from infection, yet. (That’s a prerequisite to herd immunity.)
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by standardUser on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @09:22AM (#23079744)
We have no reason whatsoever to think infection doesn't confer immunity. All other human-infecting coronaviruses do. And with no confirmed cases of reinfection yet, there is no evidence showing that this virus breaks the norm.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by steveeq1 on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @11:59AM (#23081456)
Stop spreading misinformation. There are studies in South Korea that reinfection does not occur.
Re:Scientists create antibody that defeats coronavirus in lab by standardUser on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @12:25PM (#23081758)
You may have misread my comment.