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Re:Ask HN: Did Google turn off IMAP access for good over the... by pedro2 on Monday May 04, 2020 @08:45AM (#23067264)
How’s the Australian spy law [1] thing?

[1] https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html

Re:Ask HN: Did Google turn off IMAP access for good over the... by dewey on Monday May 04, 2020 @08:55AM (#23067395)
Does that really change much in reality?

If you expect your emails to be inaccessible to anyone except you and the recipient you'll have to encrypt them anyway. If you are worried about the data-mining for ad purposes on other providers switching to a paid provider like Fastmail is still a good option and while everyone is subject to ad-tech data mining not everyone is subject to a targeted collection by a government actor most of the time.

Re:Ask HN: Did Google turn off IMAP access for good over the... by pedro2 on Monday May 04, 2020 @10:41AM (#23068625)
My threat model is: governments can read my email but that will incur a cost, a timelapse and a judge -- not just a point and click mega-spy interface.

I want to bash Trump's latest haircut without fear of incoming, frivolous litigation.

I do, however, expect consequences if I do something really stupid.

Re:Ask HN: Did Google turn off IMAP access for good over the... by roblabla on Monday May 04, 2020 @09:03AM (#23067499)
I'm in France, and use email mostly to keep up with newsletters, personal comms, and non-important professional comms. If your threat model includes the Australian Government as a threat, then yes, using another provider would make sense. Then again, if you have government agencies in your threat model, you might want to move to E2E communications anyways.
Re:Ask HN: Did Google turn off IMAP access for good over the... by throwaway49872 on Monday May 04, 2020 @08:53AM (#23067372)
This is terrible, I'm [genuinly] surprised that other people recommend fastmail.
Re:Ask HN: Did Google turn off IMAP access for good over the... by chappi42 on Monday May 04, 2020 @10:06AM (#23068212)
I don't think the blog post is accurate, see [1]. From the three providers mentioned above (fastmail/mailbox/runbox) which I have experience with, fastmail has by far the best ui, speed and feel (atm).

As with gmail the fastmail provider does read your email content to provide e.g. search (and in case of gmail who knows what more?). Both will hand out information with a lawful warrant. -- And as long as the government is reasonably sane [2] that's perfectly fine with me.

[1] https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabi... [2] otherwise I'd try ProtonMail (but it has a price in useability)

Re:Ask HN: Did Google turn off IMAP access for good over the... by sitharus on Monday May 04, 2020 @02:49PM (#23071790)
Government interception is not part of my threat model for email. Emails may relayed through intermediate servers I can't control and may or may not be encrypted in transit or storage along the way. If I want private communication I'm not going to use email (or probably the internet).

However a service not randomly shutting down or dropping support for open protocols _is_ part of my requirements for an email host.