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Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by mrfusion on Sunday May 03, 2020 @09:24PM (#23063567)
Just some food for thought. If youtube was around in the past and doing this stuff they could have deleted videos in support of the following: (these all started as fringe beliefs(1))

Interracial marriage

Gay marriage

Smoking causes lung cancer

(1) interesting topical read and it has sources for these at the end https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/09/american-brain.html

Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by quietbritishjim on Monday May 04, 2020 @12:07AM (#23064454)
Those are ideological beliefs. Yes, at one time they were very widely and strongly held. But they were never remotely comparible to spreading factually incorrect information about something biological.

A simple demonstration to this: even the reverse of these (e.g. "I believe gay marriage is morally wrong") can't reasonably be argued against with "that is factually incorrect".

It's fair to believe that private companies like YouTube shouldn't be censoring speech like this. But these comparisons are bogus and only weaken your point.

Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by fantyoon on Monday May 04, 2020 @12:32AM (#23064576)
> But they were never remotely comparible to spreading factually incorrect information about something biological.

> Smoking causes lung cancer

Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by quietbritishjim on Monday May 04, 2020 @03:44AM (#23065486)
The parent comment was comparing against YouTube banning videos that claimed smoking does cause lung cancer, back before the link was proven, in some steampunk world where YouTube existed 100 years ago. That is not comparible because initially there were at least some scientific studies, or even a vague possible link to a rational doctor, between smoking and lung cancer. There is nothing like a possible link between 5G and coronavirus to anyone that understands what a virus is.
Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by petersellers on Monday May 04, 2020 @03:26AM (#23065405)
YouTube has no problem banning content on ideological grounds, though. I remember last year various news articles about YouTube's removal of white supremacist content.

I don't really see why it's important to distinguish whether the content is problematic "factually" vs "ideologically". Clearly there are valid reasons to ban content on ideological grounds but on the other hand removing any content that has factual errors would be cumbersome (or impossible) to do. You need to also look at other criteria to make a reasonable determination.

Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by quietbritishjim on Monday May 04, 2020 @03:46AM (#23065494)
> YouTube has no problem banning content on ideological grounds, though.

I never said they did. I just said that this isn't that, and comparisons with it just confuse the discussion.

Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by petersellers on Monday May 04, 2020 @01:26PM (#23070809)
I don't see why it's confusing. What is the importance of distinguishing between factual vs ideological violations?
Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by leonvv on Monday May 04, 2020 @06:56AM (#23066534)
You seem to imply that it's okay for YouTube to censor content as long as the content is 'factually incorrect'. What is your definition of 'factually' incorrect content? More importantly, how do you prevent YouTube from coming up with their own definition of factual correctness and start banning content at will.
Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by Cthulhu_ on Monday May 04, 2020 @04:34AM (#23065742)
I'd look up those examples listed in history books if I were you; it was widely taken as fact that non-whites were biologically inferior. Look up Nazi propaganda, or what the US civil war was about. It really doesn't take much research to realize that people were (and are) othered using "scientific / biological facts".
Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by hubert1234 on Monday May 04, 2020 @03:49AM (#23065505)
you really think that somebody cant come up with strong scientific evidence to support all of those? cmon, it's a lack of knowledge and imagination on your part. There are plenty of real scientific arguments against gay marriage or gay rights at large. You just dont ever hear them because everyone who ever so much as hints at them gets banned immediately.
Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by 0xBA5ED on Monday May 04, 2020 @04:09AM (#23065610)
>There are plenty of real scientific arguments against gay marriage or gay rights at large

Such as?

>You just dont ever hear them because everyone who ever so much as hints at them gets banned immediately.

Then where do you hear them?

Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by Cthulhu_ on Monday May 04, 2020 @04:37AM (#23065759)
You're appealing to authority and you're using weasel words. What are these arguments? Who made them?
Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by RIMR on Monday May 04, 2020 @10:21AM (#23068370)
There are videos on both sides of each of these topics on YouTube right now, so I'm not sure I understand your point.
Re:YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke by alexandercrohde on Monday May 04, 2020 @11:22AM (#23069089)
The point is -- at one point the founding fathers of America were terrorists, according to the government of the time.

Those in authority will never be above questioning and doubting, even if that means considering dumb questions.