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Re:What would you do if you lost your Google account? by wpietri on Sunday May 03, 2020 @11:07AM (#23059425)
Unfortunately, this may not be enough. I used to self-host, and ended up moving to Fastmail because of deliverability problems to GMail. This was on a physical server hosted at a reputable colo in San Jose. Nobody could ever figure out why I'd often end up in the Spam folder. Not the HN commentariat, not even my SRE friends at Google.

Honestly, it's a huge relief. Self-hosting has gotten much more complicated over the years. It's very nice to know that there's a round-the-clock staff of professionals taking care of security, deliverability, and fighting spam. And software upgrades, of course!

Re:What would you do if you lost your Google account? by techsupporter on Sunday May 03, 2020 @02:18PM (#23060844)
> Nobody could ever figure out why I'd often end up in the Spam folder. Not the HN commentariat, not even my SRE friends at Google.

I had this exact same problem 3ish years ago and bailed out to Fastmail for the same reason. The thing that made me throw in the towel completely was what I found out from someone who looked into it for me after I shook the tree of my professional and social contacts. This person was involved in Gmail but not directly in anti-spam, but told me that my domain had "limited reputation."

That domain, which predates the existence of Google by at least a year, had been hosted on the same IP address (IPv4 and IPv6) for almost a decade, with the same MX, A, and PTR records for the entire time. Nothing at all changed about how that domain was configured. Yet it was intermittently being flagged as "limited reputation" and either dumped in the spam folder or simply accepted for delivery and silently dropped.

I took that domain and moved it to Fastmail 3 years and 3 months ago--I know the exact date because I paid for three years of e-mail service at the time and recently renewed it--and haven't had a problem since because, unlike my single-server operation that used to be considered an equal peer on the Internet but not any more, Fastmail has enough pull and reputation to not have messages from its subscribers blocked by other e-mail hosts.

Re:What would you do if you lost your Google account? by wpietri on Sunday May 03, 2020 @03:36PM (#23061271)
That makes total sense to me, and my situation was similar. I have often suspected that the problem was just that my mail volume was too low. Which totally fits with my impression of Google as being entirely ok with bad outcome for individuals as long as the percentage is low enough: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23059071
Re:What would you do if you lost your Google account? by koheripbal on Monday May 04, 2020 @09:32AM (#23067822)
It is notoriously impossible to host your own email. Large email providers have created an oligopoly of email "quality" acceptance, and there's effectively no way to get your deliverability to a reasonable rate unless you use one of them.

I don't think it's necessarily malicious in nature - more the product of spam filtering.

I wonder if email authentication methods like DKIM/SPF/etc.. help this problem these days.

Re:What would you do if you lost your Google account? by ZWoz on Sunday May 03, 2020 @11:20AM (#23059499)
So, You point out that gmail was opaque and unpredictable in thread about google being dangerous? Seems fitting. Sadly, that is on google, you aren't really safe anywhere, if gmail is involved. You think that using big provider protects you, but in reality some people are complaining about spam marking issues even gmail to gmail communication.