What you're saying is exactly what I'm saying, except we disagree what a "better language" is. I find the approach Java has taken causes people to fetishize complexity with it. It's not so much about "my language has more features than Java therefore it's better" (the hoarder reference) it's "my language is simpler than Java therefore it achieves what Java does with less in multiple dimensions." And I don't mean Scala, either. That's just piling on more of what Java is.