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Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by thawaway1837 on Friday May 01, 2020 @09:58PM (#23048420)
If someone is able to create something that is half as good as systemd then distros will switch time it.

The thing is that systemd solves a lot of problems for distros in a good enough way (frankly, currently in a way that is better than any existing alternative) that they are happy to have systemd deal with those issues while they focus on the stuff the distro makers are interested in.

Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by Brian_K_White on Friday May 01, 2020 @10:48PM (#23048701)
What is desireable to a distro maintainer is offten not what is desireable to a user or admin.

Systemd favors the distro maintainer and cloud application service provider, and maybe the appliance manufacturer.

It's the exact opposite of a useful tool empowering the the individual.

Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by deadbunny on Friday May 01, 2020 @10:58PM (#23048746)
As an admin and desktop user I like systemd. I have to write less config and less boilerplate code to shore up dependencies across networking, mounts, and things like DNS than I did back in the sysv days. That time saving enables me to get on with other, more useful things.
Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by ficklepickle on Friday May 01, 2020 @11:26PM (#23048889)
As a lowly JS developer, I have had a positive experience with systemd. One service file and it handles logging and process management. Better than the insane options the JS community cooked up IMO.
Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday May 01, 2020 @10:19PM (#23048535)
> If someone is able to create something that is half as good as systemd then distros will switch time it.

Not a given, since one of the issues with systemd is its integrations. Replacing init now requires you to replace your system logging and session manager, at a minimum, as well as replace all your service files.

Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by the_why_of_y on Saturday May 02, 2020 @04:35AM (#23050340)
systemd-logind is optional and you would be able to use ConsoleKit instead if anybody had maintained it in the last 5 years.

Unlike e.g. upstart in its native mode, systemd can run SysV init scripts.

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/233468/how-does-sys...

Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by JdeBP on Sunday May 03, 2020 @03:02AM (#23057381)
By "system logging" yjftsjthsd-h was referring to systemd-journald, not systemd-logind.
Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by the_why_of_y on Sunday May 03, 2020 @04:27AM (#23057702)
True, but on that point xe was correct because it's the one part of systemd that is neither PID1 nor optional; I was assuming session manager referred to systemd-logind.