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Re:Comparing Covid-19 Deaths to Flu Deaths Is Like Comparing... by thu2111 on Friday May 01, 2020 @12:35PM (#23043807)
In the UK about half the excess deaths don't mention COVID at all on the death certificate.

Of those that do, a very high proportion are extremely old, i.e. they died with the disease rather than of it.

If you take that into account the lockdown kills far more healthy people than COVID.

Re:Comparing Covid-19 Deaths to Flu Deaths Is Like Comparing... by gpderetta on Friday May 01, 2020 @03:51PM (#23045863)
Germany is in lockdown and seeing no excess deaths (covid or otherwise). The whole of Italy is in lockdown, but areas badly affected by covid are seeing much more more unexplained excess death than other less affected areas.

It seems to me that lock-down is very unlikely to be the thing that is killing people.

Re:Comparing Covid-19 Deaths to Flu Deaths Is Like Comparing... by thu2111 on Saturday May 02, 2020 @06:31AM (#23050850)
Germans haven't been told repeatedly they have a patriotic duty to avoid hospitals to save their national treasure.

The British numbers are public and speak for themselves. ER attendance halved. Cardiac patients halved. People stopped going to hospitals when they needed to - luckily Germany avoided socialised healthcare and hospitals are just seen as normal companies.

As for Italy, there have been similar problems there with elderly homes in particular and hospitals struggling with staffing sure to lockdowns and isolation.

Ultimately this is the same virus everywhere. It doesn't look like it though. So differences in national performances are telling us a lot of important things about how governments have reacted.

Re:Comparing Covid-19 Deaths to Flu Deaths Is Like Comparing... by DanBC on Saturday May 02, 2020 @06:36AM (#23050873)
Where are you getting your UK stats from please?