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Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by ryanwaggoner on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @05:52PM (#23024854)
There are no very expensive vehicles or dining choices when you’re worth tens of billions. It’s literally meaningless, like it would be for me if all my meals for a year cost me 1% of a penny.
Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by anoncareer0212 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:07PM (#23025030)
Actually verifiably not true, he had a margin call just last year, the stock hit $180.
Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by ryanwaggoner on Thursday April 30, 2020 @11:29AM (#23031929)
How is that related to what I said? Did he have a margin call because his dining choices are too expensive, or because he's borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars against a volatile stock?

Also, since we're talking about what's "verifiably true", do you have any proof that he even had a margin call?

Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by quaquaqua1 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @08:47PM (#23026331)
Yet again people downvoting the truth.
Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by marnett on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:07PM (#23025028)
What about a catered party for 500 with staff and celebrity chef? The wealthy can throw lavish events that are not necessarily a drop in the bucket, especially if common.
Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by tgsovlerkhgsel on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:24PM (#23025224)
Let's say this thing costs $200 per person, so $100k per party. Let's say he does this every day (or throws a 3.5x as lavish party twice a week), that's $36.5M per year. He can do this for 10 years and it will still literally be a rounding error in his wealth.
Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by gamblor956 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:28PM (#23025270)
Of his current wealth on paper, yes.

But almost all of Elon's wealth is in the form of his stock holdings, and stocks fluctuate in price. Moreover, his cash is almost all leveraged from his stock, and if the price collapses again, he could be wiped out by the margin call.

Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by codeisawesome on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @09:09PM (#23026456)
I want to read a book (or a few!) full of these dynamics of wealth - what it means to be paper wealthy, what leveraging that can do for your lifestyle, and why people live in fear of the margin call. Can I please ask you for any recommendations?
Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by texasbigdata on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @09:21PM (#23026516)
Or....he structured it as "let me borrow 60% of X, and here as some shares worth X as collateral.". Aka synthetically manufactured selling shared without actually doing it in order to fund his lifestyle.

Depending on the advance rate (the 60% in this case), someone will do that deal.

To take it to the absurd. If Elon wanted to fund his $35M daily party habit in the comment above, and he said to a bank "here is 3 billion in stock as pledged collateral which you can sell when the value goes to $500M but there's no recourse. Cool? Cool. " You would do that deal.

So the margin call concept does not seem realistic.

Re:Tesla Q1 2020 Update by Marsymars on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @10:14PM (#23026802)
A $35m daily party habit would cause problems to Elon's wealth, among other things.