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Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by wonderwonder on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @03:42PM (#23023291)
There are very few companies that offer pensions. A 401k is not a pension. A pension is recurring money that is given to you upon retirement in perpetuity. A 401k is just a means of investing your salary into the stock market pre-tax. Your employer does not even have to contribute to it although many if they offer a 401k plan offer some form of match up to x%. My last employer offered to match my contributions up to 6% my current employer offers no match. 401k and pension are very different.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by chrisseaton on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @03:55PM (#23023429)
> A 401k is just a means of investing your salary into the stock market pre-tax.

If you plan to spend it when you're retired then it's a pension!

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by sct202 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @04:15PM (#23023669)
It is not. In America, if someone refers to a pension they are usually referring to defined benefit retirement plans, where you work X years and get $Y as a result of some formula and $Y is not related to market performance or how much money is in the pot.

This is significant because the risk is on the employer to make up any short falls if the pension fund is not able to pay $Y because of market performance or underfunding. A 401K shifts the risk to the employee. If it's not enough to provide $Y per year, that's the former employee's problem to deal with.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by wonderwonder on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @04:12PM (#23023617)
ok...

Then I guess my savings account is a pension too as well as the jar of small change I keep on the kitchen counter.

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Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by chrisseaton on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @04:14PM (#23023657)
Well I went to look it up on Wikipedia and that's what I read. Not sure why there's such a big disconnect between what people expect you to think it means and what references tell you it means!
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Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by chrisseaton on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @04:40PM (#23023995)
Not really sure why you're so worked up about this? I thought a 401(k) was a pension, since it pays you money when you retire, which is what a pension is to me. I went looking it up on Wikipedia which said it was as well. Can you see how I'd think it was a pension?

> If you need help defining the words in that section let me know

Well I must not understand the word 'pension' then, because it says multiple times that it's a 'pension'!

If you don't to explain it to me you're not obligated to.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by mbrameld on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @05:02PM (#23024262)
I'm happy to explain. Let's start with the fundamentals: Do you understand that the meaning of a word is dependent on its context?
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by chrisseaton on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @05:25PM (#23024537)
I think you're deliberately trolling me so I'm not going to keep responding.
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Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by chrisseaton on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:06PM (#23025016)
> Chris Seaton, Senior Staff Engineer at Shopify...

Not sure why you keep repeating my name and job like you're trying to dox me for asking a question about pensions... and it's in my HN Profile and my name is my username, you're not a genius for finding it out.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by mbrameld on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:13PM (#23025092)
How am I doxing you if it's in your profile? People use names and titles in conversations the same way a 401k is a pension. I'm not sure you're qualified to judge genius. None of this is because you asked a question about pensions, is that honestly what you believe? Just in case it is: this is because you continue to insist that a 401k is a pension when it is not in this context.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by chrisseaton on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:14PM (#23025100)
> How am I doxing you if it's in your profile?

That's what I just said... but why do you keep copy and pasting it into your comments and then deleting it?

I really don't know what your problem is.

But people can see you editing your comments so they know what you're writing even if you remove it later.

People can also see you trawling through my comments to reply to unrelated things.

For this reason I've flagged you - looks like other people are as well as your comments are showing up flagged now.