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Re:Ask HN: Why do most job sites hide salary? by jrockway on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @10:18AM (#23019535)
That's an interesting theory that sounds like what you'd read in an economics textbook, but I'm not sure what that happens. My experience working at a big tech company is that they pretty much pay everyone the same thing, per job level. When I applied to Google, they basically offered me total comp that was probably about $100k per year more than I made at my previous job (but would not add an extra $10k to my salary to match Amazon's offer). I have a suspicion, but no proof, that people that ask for more money tend to be placed into a higher job level so as to get a salary match with their previous job. So there is room to negotiate, but it can backfire (and you just fail out with bad performance reviews; I've seen that).

Meanwhile, on the other side of the coin, I can show up at salary negotiation with a stack of W2s that said I made ~$280k per year while I was at Google, and they will still offer me something like $140k. That is good money and all, but I have data that I can do better ;)

So I am not sure that everyone is economics-textbook efficient. Rather they have some number in their head, and nothing will change their mind. ("Everyone we interview is so awful, it was so nice to meet you!" then "No way we'll pay you that." It's cute.)

Re:Ask HN: Why do most job sites hide salary? by alexwasserman on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @11:18AM (#23020265)
I think the issue here is that for a given rank or role there are salary ranges that are defined, and effectively immovable. Those act as floor and ceiling functions on the salary that can be offered.

So, even if you made $280K at Google, you'll get the $140K offer for that role because $140K is the top end of that range. You could get targeted into a different rank to get into a different range if you're work it. This is where you end up in a different title or level. It's much easier in the HR system to click the different title in the drop-down for you, than it is to get escalations and approvals to pay you outside the defined salary bands.

Note there are definitely some places with weirdly wide job bands. eg. some of the big banks has ranges that vary hugely to account for differences between the trading and back-office salaries - eg. VP on a trading desk with high salary vs VP in IT with low to middling.

Re:Ask HN: Why do most job sites hide salary? by jrockway on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @11:45AM (#23020574)
Yeah. I wonder if this sounds somewhat correct:

1) Big companies already decided what your job position is worth, and don't have time to negotiate. They have 75,000 other employees, growing that to 75,001 is not worth special-casing you.

2) Small companies have not realized how expensive custom software is yet, and are low-balling you out of general ignorance. Or, when they're aware of the true price, they decide they don't need custom software anymore. (Which I think, in many cases, is the right decision.)

Re:Ask HN: Why do most job sites hide salary? by marfife on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:37PM (#23021131)
I think so.

I still think that making the employer put a number or a range down, which might translate into some market research, would benefit everyone.