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Re:Are "teens" born or made? An interesting twist. by scott_s on Monday March 07, 2011 @11:09PM (#2299777)
For all intents and purposes, people of age 16 are not much different from other adults except in that they don't have much experience in life.

This is demonstrably not true, and even says so in the article. The brains of a teenager are different than that of an adult. The question the article is asking is not "Are they differen?" because we know they are. The question the article is asking is "Is this difference caused by culture or biology?"

Re:Are "teens" born or made? An interesting twist. by Gormo on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @04:02AM (#2300322)
But in a way, the article is begging the question by presuming that the categories are objectively meaningful. What's a 'teenager' and what's an 'adult'?

If our brains are continuously changing throughout our lives, you'll see differences on either side of any arbitrary cutoff point.

Re:Are "teens" born or made? An interesting twist. by hasenj on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @08:25AM (#2300754)
> This is demonstrably not true, and even says so in the article. The brains of a teenager are different than that of an adult.

This is bad logic. It's not much different from saying "men and women are demonstrably different, therefore women should not have equal rights".

Of course they are different. 16 year olds are not the same as 40 year olds. It doesn't follow that 16 year olds are children who are just being rebellious and should be shunned down.

Re:Are "teens" born or made? An interesting twist. by scott_s on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @09:41AM (#2300965)
The claim (P) was that "For all intents and purposes, people of age 16 are not much different from other adults except in that they don't have much experience in life," with the implication that (Q) "therefore they should be treated the same." If P, then Q. I'm saying P is not true. I did not say that !P is enough to say !Q.

While I personally have concluded !Q, there is more to it than what I have brought up - but that was not my purpose in the post. I wanted to point out a false statement because it was being used to conclude something.

Re:Are "teens" born or made? An interesting twist. by hasenj on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @09:55AM (#2301039)
"For all intents and purposes" sort of already implies something along the lines of "ignoring the obvious differences, etc" in the same way that 30 year olds and 50 year olds are both adults despite the age difference.
Re:Are "teens" born or made? An interesting twist. by scott_s on Tuesday March 08, 2011 @11:19AM (#2301413)
That was not what I meant in my original reply. Teenagers' brains are different from that of an adult - different in a way that a 30-year-old and a 50-year-olds brains are not different.

So, to be clear, the original claim was that teenagers are adults minus the experience. That claim is demonstrably not true. See http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1241194... or any other story that pops up when you Google "teenage brains."