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Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by lisper on Sunday April 26, 2020 @02:13PM (#22988933)
> The hoaxers

A minor but salient point: in common usage, a hoaxer would be a person perpetrating a hoax, not a person who believes (incorrectly) that someone else is perpetrating a hoax. The people who you are referring to hear are better labelled "denialists" than "hoaxers".

Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by klyrs on Sunday April 26, 2020 @03:46PM (#22989632)
The irony is that misinformation campaigns are the actual hoax here... calling them "hoaxers" is more accurate than you suggest.

The real lesson I got from the article is that politicians are the worst face of a pandemic response: it risks that half of the populace will do the opposite of the advice given.

Once the issue is politicized, that snowballs -- propaganda has infected modern discourse to a disturbing degree, and it's hard to see well-organized denialism being amplified by far-right media as anything but a cold-hearted hoax.

Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by lisper on Sunday April 26, 2020 @03:53PM (#22989674)
> misinformation campaigns are the actual hoax

That simply begs the question. Whether you label it "hoax" or "misinformation" doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not something someone says corresponds to actual truth. The beauty of science is that you don't have to take anyone's word for anything, you can actually go and do the experiment for yourself. So by all means, if you think Donald Trump is on to something and the press and the scientists are all conspiring against him to make him look bad for political reasons, then do the experiment: go inject yourself with bleach. I won't stand in your way. But I will give you long odds that it won't end well for you.

Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by felipemnoa on Sunday April 26, 2020 @02:16PM (#22988956)
I think he is using it in the same spirit as the word "truther".
Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by mlyle on Sunday April 26, 2020 @02:22PM (#22989003)
I think so too, but it still breaks the language by rendering the main word we have for "someone who perpetuates a hoax" ambiguous.
Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by lisper on Sunday April 26, 2020 @02:23PM (#22989011)
Yes, but the difference is that "hoaxer" is already an English word with an established meaning, namely, one who perpetrates a hoax. "Truther" did not already have an established meaning before it was coined to mean what it does.
Re:Seattle’s leaders let scientists take the lead, New York’... by lowdose on Monday April 27, 2020 @08:16AM (#22995079)
I think by reversing the meaning of the word hoaxer he can maintain the same rhetoric from his 2016 election to secure his next presidency while making 180 degree turn on what he is actually selling. The democrats will all fall over each other commenting how Trump bends the truth. This will waist so much attention time of the people that could have been used to actual sell on important issues. Donald steered the conversation once again captures momentum and wins.