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Re:Millions of credit-card customers can’t pay their bills by wonderwonder on Saturday April 25, 2020 @03:26PM (#22980648)
That's fine, increase taxes. Universal health care would also lead to greater bargaining power in regards to drugs, drastically reducing cost. Maybe insulin wont cost 10 times in the US what it costs in other developed nations.

I already pay a large portion of my check towards health insurance, so does my employer. Route those funds towards Universal Healthcare. We can just call them taxes.

This should not really be an argument. We are discussing whether it is appropriate for us to pay a bit more on taxes or to allow people to die. I fall into the more taxes side of the debate.

I have good health insurance right now. Maybe a little TMI so be warned. I took my 7 year old kid to get something looked at a little over a year ago. He was experiencing burning when he urinated. They measured the flow of his urine and took a look at his genitals. Whole thing took ~15 minutes. I am still getting bills for it. Turns out he just needed to go to the bathroom more. Every couple months I get another bill for ~$40 for some other doctor or company. Its crazy. The whole system is designed to bleed people.

Re:Millions of credit-card customers can’t pay their bills by luckylion on Saturday April 25, 2020 @04:00PM (#22980944)
It's good to hear that you're happy with increasing taxes, but I'm afraid that most people in the US that aren't scraping by won't be quite as enthusiastic. Higher wages, lower taxes (on everything, from income to property to fuel/power to sales ...), it does help.

And make no mistake: Germany's public health system works only because of our parallel private insurance system. Doctor's can't run their offices with public insurance patients, because the amounts they can bill are strictly limited per quarter. They make the money they need to survive on the private insurance patients that pay ~2.5 times as much and will pay per visit/procedure, not per quarter.

Of course, this also creates a two-tier system with the private insurances getting the good treatment and everyone else having to wait quite a while to get an appointment, not getting quite a few treatments (e.g. eye glasses, unless you're basically legally blind).

You're on HN, so you're most likely a skilled knowledge worker. You'll be greeted with open arms in Europe. Vote with your feet, give it a try. I don't believe that you'll see substantial change in the US, too many people (regular people too!) profit from the individualist approach.

Re:Millions of credit-card customers can’t pay their bills by wonderwonder on Saturday April 25, 2020 @04:21PM (#22981116)
I hear what you are saying regarding a two tier system. The system is likely 2 tier though due to underfunding, lets fund it properly. In addition, even a two tier system provides for people to get affordable preventative care, something the US is lacking. By catching problems in the beginning you optimally prevent the massive costly issues that occur when an issue has been left unchecked and untreated.

As far as moving to another country, I have no need to, I make a large amount of money here and can afford the health care bills. I want the change for people that are not as advantaged as I am. I am willing to pay more so that they can get it.

As far as change in the US happening soon, I don't know. I think we are at an inflection point with more and more people desiring a change. People are losing their jobs right now and with it their health insurance. The election will potentially be a referendum on increased publicly available insurance.

Re:Millions of credit-card customers can’t pay their bills by luckylion on Saturday April 25, 2020 @06:20PM (#22982098)
I do very much agree with you on principle regarding a well functioning health system and e.g. catching things early, using preventive medicine etc. You'll find that it doesn't really work though. Having medical care does not magically turn people into rational patients that will take care of themselves (in fact, I fear the opposite: knowing you're covered no matter what may change your risk profile, which is known as Vollkaskomentalität in German, the mentality that creeps in when you know that everything is paid for).

The US healthcare system is a mess, I don't disagree. I don't believe there are any cheap & easy options to change it however. The grass is always greener on the other side of the Atlantic, but sometimes that's just because tales of success are spread around the world while the problems stay in the local news.

Re:Millions of credit-card customers can’t pay their bills by cycomanic on Saturday April 25, 2020 @04:25PM (#22981151)
Actually there are valid arguments that one of the biggest problems with the German public health system is private insurance competing with the public ones. Essentially it's a licence for the private insurances to print money and siphon it from the system. They have the choice of only selecting the healthy and rich, so obviously they have much better risk distribution.

It also inflates health care cost, because the doctors use the private insurances to finance investments in expensive equipment. Talk to someone with private insurance, they essentially have fight off all sort of unnecessary tests even if they go in to get a flu vaccine. And no not every doctor needs an MRI in their practices. Also many other European countries have functioning health care without private insurances, which disproves the point they are necessary.

Re:Millions of credit-card customers can’t pay their bills by luckylion on Saturday April 25, 2020 @06:09PM (#22982017)
> Talk to someone with private insurance, they essentially have fight off all sort of unnecessary tests even if they go in to get a flu vaccine.

I have private insurance, and I've never had to fight off anything. The main difference is that I'll usually get an appointment on short notice and my provider pays for my glasses and good dental work.

And you're absolutely right, they aren't necessary for any system to exist, but they are necessary for this system to exist at this price. If doctors didn't pay the rent with private patients, they'd go bankrupt.