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Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by threeseed on Friday April 24, 2020 @10:34AM (#22968346)
Our Chief Medical Officer here in Australia actually had to tell people not to inject disinfectant based on Trump's speech.

Truly extraordinary times we live in.

Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by klenwell on Friday April 24, 2020 @10:44AM (#22968471)
The makers of Lysol also had to issue an official statement:

As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/24/business/lysol-disinfectant-t...

I keep thinking of this recent Ted Chiang quote:

If your goal is to dramatize the threat posed by an unknown virus, there’s no advantage in depicting the officials responding as incompetent, because that minimizes the threat; it leads the reader to conclude that the virus wouldn’t be dangerous if competent people were on the job. A pandemic story like that would be similar to what’s known as an “idiot plot,” a plot that would be resolved very quickly if your protagonist weren’t an idiot. What we’re living through is only partly a disaster novel; it’s also—and perhaps mostly—a grotesque political satire.

https://electricliterature.com/ted-chiang-explains-the-disas...

Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by danans on Friday April 24, 2020 @11:48AM (#22969280)
> there’s no advantage in depicting the officials responding as incompetent, , because that minimizes the threat

In this case it's not typical incompetence of officials, it's an official with huge influence derived from their office endangering people by recommending injection of disinfectants into their bodies. That itself a huge threat.

Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by klenwell on Friday April 24, 2020 @01:10PM (#22970460)
Not sure why you're being downvoted. You're right.

Just to clarify one possible misreading of Chiang's point I noticed due to the way I excerpted his statement: he's not suggesting that incompetent officials should not be called out and held accountable.

He's saying rather if you're a fiction writer and you were trying to write a story about a plausible sci-fi pandemic and you added a character like Trump and depicted a scene like that press conference yesterday, you'd literally lose the plot and lose any serious reader. It would unsuspend disbelief.

Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by breischl on Friday April 24, 2020 @11:10AM (#22968786)
On the one hand it's incredibly sad that they have to make announcements like that. On the other hand, this reaalllly feels like evolution in action.
Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by blueside on Friday April 24, 2020 @10:45AM (#22968484)
Trump is going to unintentionally kill off a lot votes for him
Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by dhosek on Friday April 24, 2020 @10:58AM (#22968640)
Given the rush of people snatching up hydroxychloroquine, it's really not a matter of if, just how many.
Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by dhosek on Saturday April 25, 2020 @04:59PM (#22981438)
Someone downvoted me, but on the chance folks ever come back to this discussion thread: https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-new-y...
Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by starkd on Friday April 24, 2020 @11:01AM (#22968685)
Listen to the remarks, and its clear he never said anything about injecting disinfectant directly into a patient. It was part of a conversation he had with Dr. Bill Bryant, leader of science and technology at HHS, about using new information about how light, heat and humidity kill the virus. A reporter, Jonathan Karl of ABC brought up the question about injecting disinfectant, and he said "it wouldn't be through injection" and deferred to the experts. It's a shame the reporters insist on politicizing this.
Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by rrss on Friday April 24, 2020 @11:23AM (#22968945)
Help me understand.

"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that."

What does this mean? It certainly sounds to me like he is talking about using disinfectant to clean the virus out of the lungs.

Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by rrss on Friday April 24, 2020 @11:30AM (#22969042)
Ok, I listened to Bill Bryan's prior comments again, and I still do not understand what President Trump was saying if not suggesting using light and disinfectants inside the human body. Bill Bryan was obviously not using the word "inject" to refer to injecting anything into the human body, but it certainly sounds like President Trump was ("inside the body", "through the skin"?)
Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by starkd on Friday April 24, 2020 @11:57AM (#22969411)
He was speaking in the context of on-going research. Not a how-to guide for people dealing with it. He's not a scientist, but he very clearly deferred to the scientist on how it would be done.

Here's a better link: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/23/trump_sug...

Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by rrss on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:26PM (#22969818)
This is what you said:

> it's clear he never said anything about injecting disinfectant directly into a patient

Here's what Donald Trump said:

> And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number

Here's what your source had to say about what Donald Trump said:

> spoke about the use of ultraviolet light to fight the virus and an injectable disinfectant that would clean your lungs

The ongoing research Bryan was discussing was not medical research, and had nothing to do with the human body, and yet Donald Trump certainly said someting about injecting disinfectant directly into a patient (or at the very least, it isn't clear that he didn't say that).

Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by starkd on Friday April 24, 2020 @04:37PM (#22972676)
So, what's your point? You really think he was suggesting that people drink cans of lysol to clean their lungs? That's absurd, and I think you know it. It just feels like senseless nitpicking to me. There's multiple avenues of research into this. Some more promising than others. He said, "it seems interesting to me", and left it at that. Nothing about that should strike anyone as inappropriate, when it was said for the sole purpose of trying to promote a guarded optimism around the matter. Too many seem to want to promote panic.
Re:Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time For... by rrss on Saturday April 25, 2020 @02:43PM (#22980267)
My point is that your statement:

> Listen to the remarks, and its clear he never said anything about injecting disinfectant directly into a patient.

does not seem to be correct. That's it.

> You really think he was suggesting that people drink cans of lysol to clean their lungs? That's absurd, and I think you know it

No, I think he was suggesting that using disinfectants as a treatment for COVID-19 is worthy of investigation based on the findings that lysol kills coronavirus.