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Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by vorpalhex on Friday April 24, 2020 @10:31AM (#22968309)
Hn is a moderated community, and it's value partially comes from it's moderation. It's restricted to a set of topics, and if things get too out of hand whether it's a personal attack or just insanity, the comment is going to get removed.

Except you can view the dead comments. You can still see the removed stories. You have to opt-in to that, but it's just a checkbox in your profile. HN is moderated, but there is no censorship.

The issue with censorship is that it has to grow. You can't defend taking down say, videos about the Israel BDS movement, and not also take down videos about Free HK. Either the platform openly admits that it's biased or it has to keep growing what can't be discussed and inevitably that's going to start including content that everyone feels shouldn't be censored.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by cmeacham98 on Friday April 24, 2020 @11:08AM (#22968759)
This is the same with your example though? Anyone can upload a video talking about the coronavirus, they just might not receive money for it (they'll be demonetized). Youtube only seems to be taking an active 'censorship' approach for comments spreading bad information about the virus. Whether or not "against WHO advice" is a good metric for this is debatable, but the goal seems worthwhile.

> The issue with censorship is that it has to grow. You can't defend taking down say, videos about the Israel BDS movement, and not also take down videos about Free HK.

I fail to see how this property, if it exists, is any less present in a "moderated but without explicit censhorship" system.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by stcredzero on Friday April 24, 2020 @02:09PM (#22971221)
Youtube only seems to be taking an active 'censorship' approach

Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky wrote an entire book about 'censorship' that's not technically censorship, titled Manufacturing Consent. Rather, what happens in the industrialized west uses soft influence and economic power to achieve the same ends. Media in such a "propaganda model" of operation does technically disseminate information, but does it in such a way as to reduce visibility, reduce emotional impact, and economically discourage.

Actually, the power to engage in a "propaganda model" of operation enjoyed by YouTube is in many ways much more immediate and absolute than that exercised by the western governments in the 20th century.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by vorpalhex on Friday April 24, 2020 @11:19AM (#22968897)
Demonetization is a form of censorship when Youtube is your paycheck.

If your employer threatened to not pay you because you took a political position that would be abhorrent and oppressive treatment. Youtube is not a direct employee and it's more of a business partner, but it's wielding it's power to control speech - which is oppressive.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by lxmorj on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:57PM (#22970287)
I wonder - does YouTube still serve ads in ‘demonetized’ videos and just cut out the creators commissions?