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Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by MattGaiser on Thursday April 23, 2020 @04:51PM (#22961212)
> If true, Amazon is selling a service that isn't robust or flexible enough for such a season.

Nobody in that area is robust enough for a once in a century pandemic.

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by Retric on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:12PM (#22962696)
This is still far smaller than other pandemics in the last 100 years. The 1957 "Asian flu" had around 1–4 million dead. AIDS is sitting around 770,000 dead per year and the total is vastly higher etc.

What makes things different about COVID-19 is how people are responding to it in the hope of saving vast numbers of lives.

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by jlj on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:46PM (#22962987)
> This is still far smaller than other pandemics in the last 100 years. > What makes things different..

We are still in the early days of this pandemic. The history of COVID-19 is still being written. No one knows how long we're in for or what the final death count will be.

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by vmception on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:05PM (#22963531)
After the meat shortage starts we'll all come out of this with a BMI of 20. It won't be because those remaining all lost weight.
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by james_s_tayler on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:36PM (#22963741)
Given R0 is around 4 and mortality rate is some single digit percentage, left unchecked this pandemic is bigger than those.

The only recourse we have to reduce R is stay the hell away from each other. No business really plans on that.

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by lallysingh on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:24PM (#22963996)
How well did Internet stores deliver during them?
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by pythonaut_16 on Friday April 24, 2020 @10:25AM (#22968235)
AIDS isn't really a relevant comparison to COVID-19
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by ethagknight on Thursday April 23, 2020 @06:28PM (#22962291)
Companies that have the ability to price according to the strain on their system, like FedEx and UPS, are presumably far more robust in this scenario. Here's the rub: Amazon Prime is a contract for services at a certain annual price between the customer and Amazon. Amazon cannot easily just ask for more if their end of the deal ends up more costly to deliver than forecasted.
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by User23 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:09PM (#22962661)
It's a tangent, but at the All Hands where Jeff introduced Prime, he made it very clear that it was actually a money loser for the company at that point. He did it anyhow because it satisfied both the customer obsession and the long term growth principles Amazon has followed from the start.

Because of this, I very much doubt that Amazon will mind losing money on Prime member shipping during this pandemic. I wouldn't be shocked if some of the current management made noises in that direction and that was part of what got Jeff to take the reins again.

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by ethagknight on Thursday April 23, 2020 @08:51PM (#22963453)
Losing money on the two-day shipping in order to make money on the volume of sales is just like saying “we will lose money on leasing planes but make it up on the product sale”. That announcement was certainly divergent e-commerce strategy at the time, but Amazon intends to cover its basis on the overall transaction.

In today’s plight, it’s the sheer scale of money Amazon might lose fulfilling its backlog of orders, and potentially why its delaying shipping with the “essential items” reasoning, that’s of particular interest.

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by MattGaiser on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:04PM (#22962615)
They can just not deliver the service. Amazon Prime doesn't guarantee that any item you want will come in two days.
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by ardy42 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:52PM (#22964170)
> Amazon Prime doesn't guarantee that any item you want will come in two days.

So you're saying their deal is "pay us $120/year but we make no commitment to provide anything in exchange?"

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by ashtonkem on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:32AM (#22966531)
It’s sadly not uncommon for businesses to promise various services and then unilaterally change their minds. While I’m sure that there are some exceptions, most TOS have a ton of “we reserve the right to change our minds whenever for whatever reason, without warning”

Now that’s kind of different from the PR fallout. Amazon is risking a mass walkout of their customers over this; it just depends on whether or not customers see this as a reasonable response to a crazy circumstance, or a greedy move on Amazon’s part to maintain profitability over their commitments to customers.

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by vageli on Friday April 24, 2020 @02:08PM (#22971210)
> It’s sadly not uncommon for businesses to promise various services and then unilaterally change their minds. While I’m sure that there are some exceptions, most TOS have a ton of “we reserve the right to change our minds whenever for whatever reason, without warning”

I was under the impression that one party cannot unilaterally modify the terms of a contract without offering consideration to the other party, and the consideration can't be "we will continue to perform according to the terms of the contract".

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by ethagknight on Friday April 24, 2020 @10:19AM (#22968185)
Thats what they are doing, and I, the customer, am no longer getting the value I signed up for.

For a "customer obsession strategy," this one should hurt their bottom line, either with cancellation of prime subscriptions or lost sales. I am not saying amazon should be penalized or taken to court. This is just the biggest vulnerability I have seen out of the Amazon machine, and I think its very interesting.

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by barry-cotter on Thursday April 23, 2020 @06:38PM (#22962380)
> Amazon cannot easily just ask for more if their end of the deal ends up more costly to deliver than forecasted.

Under the circumstances there’s probably no legal obstacle to them doing so. A pandemic looks, walks and quacks like force majeure.

Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by gbear605 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @08:48PM (#22963429)
Legal, perhaps not. Economic, possibly. I wouldn't be surprised if a change in price acted as a shock to get people to cancel their membership.
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by ashtonkem on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:33AM (#22966536)
The PR is probably more important than the legal in this case.
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by valuearb on Thursday April 23, 2020 @06:41PM (#22962398)
But they can easily take longer to deliver, and are, negating any need to change pricing.
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by champagneben on Thursday April 23, 2020 @06:00PM (#22962049)
Does anyone know how Alibaba and the like have fared in China?
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by barry-cotter on Thursday April 23, 2020 @06:43PM (#22962414)
I live in Shanghai. There were two or three weeks after Lunar New Year where deliveries were delayed or more expensive or both for everything and grocery delivery slots were scarce for a month. Things are back to normal with all deliveries now.
Re:Jeff Bezos has returned to day-to-day management of Amazon by frandroid on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:25PM (#22962799)
But since this was the Lunar New Year, I'm guessing that Ali Baba was already on a war footing?