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Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by a-ve on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @12:47AM (#22942296)
It's mainly due to his disregard for any rules that may exist.

The telecom regulator in India bent rules in favor of Jio: https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/policy/vodafone-gro...

Rs 11,000-Crore ONGC (state owned oil and gas corp) Gas Shifted to Reliance Industries Fields: https://www.ndtv.com/business/rs-11-000-crore-ongc-gas-shift...

They literally took out full-page advertisements with Modi's image on it: https://thewire.in/economy/modi-reliance-jio-advertisement

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by TriNetra on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @01:16AM (#22942459)
You are over-blowing his control: My quick search brings following two things which is opposite to what this thread is claiming.

1. Reliance Jio may not be pleased with govt's spectrum moratorium to telcos: https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/telecom/why-reliance-ji...

2. India Trying to Stop Reliance From Selling Assets, Times Says: https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/india-trying-to-stop...

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by a-ve on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @01:30AM (#22942541)
Telecoms in India are in a tremendous amount of debt. So much so, Vodafone and Idea had to merge but still they have immense financial problems. They are asking for the moratorium because Jio gave away their services for free, undercutting every player there is and the telecom regulator did nothing about it. WRT your first link, it was posted on November 21, 2019. This year the Supreme Court ordered the telecoms to pay their dues: https://m.economictimes.com/industry/telecom/telecom-news/sc...

As to your second link (Dec 23, 2019), yes, the Govt. did try to stop the 20% sale to Aramco, but "Aramco officials and bankers on the deal have been working at Reliance’s offices in Mumbai" says otherwise: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-18/reliance-...

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by TriNetra on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @01:56AM (#22942690)
Regarding telcos dues, AFAIK those companies have been avoiding the dues for decades and they must be held accountable some day isn't it? I can't comment on whether or not TRI should have intervened when JIO started offering free services - if it was allowed as per the regulation intervening by TRI could have given a message that it was acting for protecting existing players and if it wasn't allowed by regulations, Telcos would have gone to court.

Regarding the on-going talks of selling asset, since court has already ordered Reliance to reveal assets, they just can't do away with whatever is the liability set. Indian court system is not a joke.

My original point was that Reliance or Mukesh do not rule India; yes they are clever and do lobbying as any other capitalist does but they don't control the nation or gov.

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by denzil_correa on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @02:49AM (#22942924)
You should really read into how Jio got their license and rules were repeatedly bent to favor them.

https://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/government-helping-reli...

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by searchableguy on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @12:52AM (#22942325)
It was on the TV too everywhere. All the damn time.
Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by sbmthakur on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @02:10AM (#22942759)
> The telecom regulator in India bent rules in favor of Jio

It's the Vodafone group CEO that's accusing TRAI of favoring Jio. They had a free run charging exorbitant data prices for a good time. No wonder these accusations are coming from Vodafone.

> Rs 11,000-Crore ONGC (state owned oil and gas corp) Gas Shifted to Reliance Industries Fields

This was fought in courts and eventually an international tribunal favored Jio.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/govt-moves-delhi-h...

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/corporate/big-victory-f...

> They literally took out full-page advertisements with Modi's image on it..

What does this even mean? Even PayTm issued full page ads with Modi's image. Are they running the government too?

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by intended on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @02:39AM (#22942889)
Honestly, Vodafone should be calling out Jio- they’re going to die because of it.

Jio has had some eye opening advantages-

Jio abused the stress test period for their network and essentially launched their service for free saying “join Jio, next few months free! (Fine print, this is technically a stress test.)

The way the auction for spectrum was conducted was magical- they had a front company With impressive bureaucracy wrangling power.

The stench of malfeasance is strong here.

That said fundamentally this is an issue that relates to the death of competition in the market.

Since the bungled SC auction verdict destroyed a vibrant telecom market, we’ve dropped to a triopoly- and heading fast to a duopoly.

What is sad is that the previous governments had done a truly impressive job of threading the economic needle when it came to designing a telecom market with competition.

Indian telecom was a boon to its impoverished customer base. Now it’s becoming a cabal.

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by sbmthakur on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @05:38AM (#22943799)
> What is sad is that the previous governments had done a truly impressive job of threading the economic needle when it came to designing a telecom market with competition.

I beg to differ. I do understand Jio was quite aggressive in expanding its services and TRAI should have been more vigilant. But that still doesn't prove that they were working together in order to establish a monopoly. The pre-Jio telecom market was good for the telecom companies but it was horrible for the end consumers. The data prices were simply too high.

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by intended on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @08:22AM (#22944753)
I’m sorry, but the facts are that india has (had) a remarkable telecom sector at inception.

The reason why I say this is because it’s VERY easy for the market structure to get flubbed and become only 2 or 3 firms which “compete”. (See america- invented the Internet, didn’t get the market right.)

India has some of the lowest, if not the lowest ARPUs in the world. The Indian telecom sector invented the 0 cost phone call (you give a missed call to a phone number, people call you back with offers)

Market structure is so important - you see it how the nascent Value added services market was destroyed by Indian telcos.

Back in the day one new area of innovation was VAS- but telcos were able to dictate the profit spread to VAS firms once they realized VAS was profitable. This killed the industry.

Telecoms tend towards rent seeking behavior (American telecoms say “this is the best service we can provide”, until google fibre turns up and magically those fibre installations get executed)

Data prices being high ignores the cost of calls and of infra issues the telcos were facing.

The spectrum auctions and the subsequent Supreme Court verdict destroyed our market - and there just isn’t the kind of market and economic acumen+Political power mix which will fix the market.

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by sbmthakur on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @09:38AM (#22945385)
> I’m sorry, but the facts are that india has (had) a remarkable telecom sector at inception.

Maybe yes. But my previous point stands. What good is the sector when millions of Indians can't afford it? (from the perspective of data rates). Also the incumbents had all the time in the world to normalize data rates. But instead they chose to cartelize the industry and kept their profits up.

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by intended on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @11:54AM (#22946908)
Again that perspective is wrong, because India is literally among the cheapest and often the cheapest country to buy data.

https://www.cable.co.uk/mobiles/worldwide-data-pricing/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/03/05/the-co...

So they didn't cartelize, and only recently after the insane noise over the 3g auction which fizzled out, did we lose that market.

We've now essentially cartelized (all remaining firms raised rates in tandem), and the few players left are also teetering with Vodafone considering leaving.

This means that we will likely see Jio, and Airtel left, with BSNL constantly being denuded.

Their profits are terrible, and the debt burden because of arrears means they need a rescue, or the future situation will become - impressively - even worse.

Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by intended on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @11:55AM (#22946920)
I wasn't confident in asserting data rates were low, but I've checked and Indian data rates, along with call rates are the lowest in the world.
Re:Facebook Takes $5.7B Stake in India’s Jio by newyankee on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @02:30AM (#22942850)
The comments of the guy is classic case of subtle propaganda, passing opinion as truth for the western audience.