Re:A Genealogy of the Idea of Universal Basic Income
by twblalock on Sunday April 19, 2020 @08:46PM
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It is actually a problem with UBI: UBI does not line up with most people's beliefs about who deserves help, those beliefs are so powerful that they resulted in the creation of our existing welfare systems, and they aren't going to go away overnight.
Re:A Genealogy of the Idea of Universal Basic Income
by Jedd on Monday April 20, 2020 @11:08PM
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Even if your claim is true, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a problem with UBI -- it could be a problem with 'most people's beliefs'.
Consider that 'most people', in the west at least, consider it normal to work ~8 hours a day, 5 days a week, with 1-4 weeks holiday per year, and do this for ~45 years.
Where did all those numbers come from, and how long have we (as either a culture, or better yet as a species) thought this is normal?
I don't think anyone's suggesting that most people are inclined or capable of changing their beliefs, or rather habits, overnight -- but that's also not a reason to abandon the consideration of UBI.
Re:A Genealogy of the Idea of Universal Basic Income
by xsdklfsdfklj on Sunday April 19, 2020 @08:12PM
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the argument against it [1] is practically that if it is being pushed by the current system it is to benefit the current system. As in, "uber needs a safety net for their drivers" kinda of vision, which given the track record in the US is very likely.
[1] https://jacobinmag.com/2017/12/universal-basic-income-inequa...
Re:A Genealogy of the Idea of Universal Basic Income
by Jedd on Sunday April 19, 2020 @08:49PM
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An interesting read, though it contains lots of generalisations and speculation presented as guaranteed outcomes.
USA suffers from exceptionalism on a number of fronts -- it's unsurprising that claims of UBI (in)applicability is also on that list.
That's not a problem with UBI.
IMO that scenario is not likely, let alone guaranteed.
I appreciate a pessimistic outlook as much as the next guy, but I don't think we should abandon UBI because you think it may change in the future.