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Re:Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing s... by grey-area on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:39PM (#22917841)
The US was disastrous at testing initially, but now they are doing a lot of tests (several million). Unfortunately given the stage they are at (infections widespread, still no national lockdown, some states opening up again because they think it's all over), it's too late for test and trace.
Re:Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing s... by heartbreak on Sunday April 19, 2020 @05:05PM (#22918783)
> some states opening up again because they think it's all over

This is unequivocally not why some states are preparing to relax the so-called "safer at home" orders. Waiting until "it's all over" was not the goal of safer-at-home. Flattening the curve in order to prevent an immediately overwhelmed healthcare system was the goal. In multiple US states, the curve is acceptably flattened (or is expected to be in the next few weeks), and hospitals have plenty of available capacity. Those states are going to continue encouraging physical distancing, good hygiene, etc. while allowing closed non-essential businesses to resume limited operations.

Re:Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing s... by lbeltrame on Sunday April 19, 2020 @05:19PM (#22918888)
> Waiting until "it's all over" was not the goal of safer-at-home.

Someone should tell that to the Italian authorities. At least until recently, some public statements seemed to inch in that direction ("zero new infections"), although more recently they realized that this is hardly possible at this point (especially if the estimates of the actual vs effective cases are true - talking about at least one order of magnitude).

Re:Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing s... by grey-area on Monday April 20, 2020 @12:56AM (#22921219)
I'm watching Italy/Spain with great interest at this point as both are loosening restrictions (after going through the same sort of hell as New York). If they don't see a new bump up in a few weeks for them, it means prevalence is far higher than we think in those countries (good news for them).
Re:Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing s... by lbeltrame on Monday April 20, 2020 @02:21AM (#22921621)
So far in Italy nothing will change until May 3rd. But the government is in total chaos over this (mainly because they're afraid of death themselves...). Lots of very unpractical ideas to keep distancing from so-called experts, too.

I guess we'll have to see what happens. Personally, although I'm very aware of the risks and will prepare accordingly, I'll be glad if I can finally get out of this isolation.

Re:Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing s... by grey-area on Monday April 20, 2020 @12:54AM (#22921210)
If you haven't even started the curve (as many of these states haven't), then you're not flattening it by using stay at home for a short time then relaxing it.

IMO loosening restrictions without really aggressive testing and case tracing is going to undo lots of good work by other states by allowing the virus to spread, but time will tell.